Stumpalump
Expedition Leader
The walking is a good point and why I stocked the old ladies car trunk with clothes and a pair of sneakers. She is not walking far in her work dress and high heel shoes.
Camping vs Emergency equipment
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The walking is a good point and why I stocked the old ladies car trunk with clothes and a pair of sneakers. She is not walking far in her work dress and high heel shoes.
Lucky j
Explorer
Wow, are you guys prepairing for a country wide shut down?
I understand the need for prepardiness for natural catastrophy and beeing ready for a few days until rescue and help organize, bit I would say that what you need will also depend of the area where you live.
Having extra gas/fuel to help you get away under evacuation situation is great, food for up to a week is also important, water to cover deinking for same amouth of time also great, but ince the desaster as happen, you might not be able to go anywhere with your rig, unless it is a caterpilar to push debris out of the way.
I only know that in disater situation, tendancy is to help each other, with amey or national garde or other like red cross being call to bring help and support, neigbors helping each other. Riott situation are different, but usualy do not last past the night they happen.
I know that in my little neck of the wood, I will not need a gun, but to hunt for food, gas will help me a bit, but roads will probably be closed or none practicable, even with my jeep and I will probably be around anyway to help others if I not working as a paramedic.
We can pretty much drink the water from the rivers. Winter cold would be a different story if this is the week that I am a work, electrical heating only, but the week at the cabin, wood stove and gravity fed water, mountain spring not to far.
Gf and I working walking distance from house.
Just food for thoughts.
I understand the need for prepardiness for natural catastrophy and beeing ready for a few days until rescue and help organize, bit I would say that what you need will also depend of the area where you live.
Having extra gas/fuel to help you get away under evacuation situation is great, food for up to a week is also important, water to cover deinking for same amouth of time also great, but ince the desaster as happen, you might not be able to go anywhere with your rig, unless it is a caterpilar to push debris out of the way.
I only know that in disater situation, tendancy is to help each other, with amey or national garde or other like red cross being call to bring help and support, neigbors helping each other. Riott situation are different, but usualy do not last past the night they happen.
I know that in my little neck of the wood, I will not need a gun, but to hunt for food, gas will help me a bit, but roads will probably be closed or none practicable, even with my jeep and I will probably be around anyway to help others if I not working as a paramedic.
We can pretty much drink the water from the rivers. Winter cold would be a different story if this is the week that I am a work, electrical heating only, but the week at the cabin, wood stove and gravity fed water, mountain spring not to far.
Gf and I working walking distance from house.
Just food for thoughts.
pugslyyy
Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
No, but I think this year's active hurricane season is making a lot of people think about how prepared they are, so this is a good conversation to have.
I'm not planning for the complete collapse of civilization, but we've lost power in my neighborhood for up to 2 weeks weeks before due to natural catastrophes (hurricanes, ice storms) and we've had winter weather render roads impassible with no warning leaving people stranded either at their work on in their cars with little or no supplies.
It's good to be prepared so that you can be self reliant and place as little of a burden as possible on the first responders - and you'll likely be more comfortable as well.
MANUCHAO
Aventurero
Living in the LA basin I'm preparing for the end of the world.... if i happen to survive the shake down... i want to have enough for me and possibly help my neighbours....
Im not really expecting for the government to save my hinny, but i won't say no either if the help is being offered....
Expect the worse n hope for the best....
Im not really expecting for the government to save my hinny, but i won't say no either if the help is being offered....
Expect the worse n hope for the best....
SoCal Tom
Explorer
Here in Socal, there is no river to drink from. My planning is generally in line with FEMA recommendations. Just enough to get through until help can get there. In FL recently that was about 10days without access to stores.
Tom
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ArkansasDon
Observer
I'm building my trailer currently to the fact of you stated along with personal pleasure use: fly fishing, hunting, trapping & off grid camping. 100% off grid is what I am going for. I sold my Norwood "Nash" 5th Wheel for the issues that its limited to back country camping, but I had it set up for off grid too. I like what you have listed and agree there is no better way than being prepared no matter what the situation is, man made or mother nature. Food, Water, Medical, Shelter, Communications, Security, & Faith is what I go off of in life. You can only live 3 days w\o water (drinkable) after that your life is done, 3 weeks w\o food, 1st week will suck, all the others are just as important, Faith, I'm a Christian and w\o faith you will have a difficult time dealing with a ugly situation like a crisis.
Simple rule here; 3 is 2, 2 is 1, 1 is none. Items to have, one breaks, goes bad, lost or stolen you have a replacement. If you just had the one, then you have none.
I have purchased my camping gear for dual purpose: personal pleasure use & preparedness SHTF situation. My trailer I'm building is all solar as of charging system, 1 stationary 100 watt Renogy panel & 1 portable Renogy Suit Case 100 watt panel. Water Purification System is a Sawyer Gravity system w\extra filters, Cooler Fridg\Freez Engel 34 Qt.12v, & K2 70 dry cooler along with a Canyon Scout small dry cooler, 12v Mighty Cool MK3 portable A\C. All my flashlights are AA batteries, which I have a small portable solar charger that charges D's, C's, AA's & AAA's. I am installing a mobile CB 40 channel radio (in the tongue box) w\4ft antenna on the tent rack of the trailer, radio is a survival style solar, hand crank, battery (AA's) & 110 electrical powered. The list is endless, food is important (the right foods), security is just as important too. Items to cut firewood, split it, items to have when propane, batteries & other perishable's recourses are gone. Most of these items with the exception of the Renogy Solar System I already had from my 5th wheel & being in the preparedness life style in my home.
One thing to remember is, you can not pack the entire house (you will go crazy if you try), so the important items to survive a crisis is what is more important like the list I mention food, water, medical, communications, shelter, security & faith. I like to think of the "Grey Man" scenario aka do not draw attention to you, noise, smell, appearance will only get you in trouble (the rolling Wal-Mart sign). Conceal your supplies (out of sight out of mind) by blending in with the crowd before or during an emergency will make your chances of survival higher with less attention. The unprepared aka sheep or zombies will go to any lengths to get what you have in a post SHTF situation. Once a crisis happens everything thing off the shelf will be gone in a blink of an eye. No better time to start than now.
Simple rule here; 3 is 2, 2 is 1, 1 is none. Items to have, one breaks, goes bad, lost or stolen you have a replacement. If you just had the one, then you have none.
I have purchased my camping gear for dual purpose: personal pleasure use & preparedness SHTF situation. My trailer I'm building is all solar as of charging system, 1 stationary 100 watt Renogy panel & 1 portable Renogy Suit Case 100 watt panel. Water Purification System is a Sawyer Gravity system w\extra filters, Cooler Fridg\Freez Engel 34 Qt.12v, & K2 70 dry cooler along with a Canyon Scout small dry cooler, 12v Mighty Cool MK3 portable A\C. All my flashlights are AA batteries, which I have a small portable solar charger that charges D's, C's, AA's & AAA's. I am installing a mobile CB 40 channel radio (in the tongue box) w\4ft antenna on the tent rack of the trailer, radio is a survival style solar, hand crank, battery (AA's) & 110 electrical powered. The list is endless, food is important (the right foods), security is just as important too. Items to cut firewood, split it, items to have when propane, batteries & other perishable's recourses are gone. Most of these items with the exception of the Renogy Solar System I already had from my 5th wheel & being in the preparedness life style in my home.
One thing to remember is, you can not pack the entire house (you will go crazy if you try), so the important items to survive a crisis is what is more important like the list I mention food, water, medical, communications, shelter, security & faith. I like to think of the "Grey Man" scenario aka do not draw attention to you, noise, smell, appearance will only get you in trouble (the rolling Wal-Mart sign). Conceal your supplies (out of sight out of mind) by blending in with the crowd before or during an emergency will make your chances of survival higher with less attention. The unprepared aka sheep or zombies will go to any lengths to get what you have in a post SHTF situation. Once a crisis happens everything thing off the shelf will be gone in a blink of an eye. No better time to start than now.
calicamper
Expedition Leader
Keep in mind shakey ground tends to be very localized unlike Harvey or Irma hundreds of miles across and moving adding more distance and potential blockages for the regular truck deliverys to transit. If a really big one hits LA there are massive wearhouses stock full of goods all part of the delivery chain less than 3 hrs away. Roads damaged? Goods will be flown in if its really bad. The Texas 10+ days in large part was due to how far out you had to look before finding infrastructure that wasnt damaged or impacting transport of needed goods to the affected areas.
Its a great idea to target 10days but Westcoast disasters wont affect areas as large as the Harvey mess.
calicamper
Expedition Leader
In CA lived here my whole life the most common issue youll encounter is having to leave your house in 15minutes. AKA wild fire tearing through your neighborhood. You can have all the gear you can dream up, but only have enough time to grab the dog, a pair of shoes and your evac bag containing ?????? Think of it like a sinking boat your getting the F-ck out ASAP, do you have your grab bag packed?
The quakes are different, you stay, shut utilities off, drag out your gear, maybe patch up a neighbor or two that walked through glass bare foot given their shoes were down stairs by the door, "one of the most common injuries btw" and you start the process of fixing and cleaning up.
Wild Fire you just GTFO
A few friends in Texas that stayed.. Are now pretty convinced they are switching to the GTFO model if anything stage 3 and up starts to point in their direction.
The quakes are different, you stay, shut utilities off, drag out your gear, maybe patch up a neighbor or two that walked through glass bare foot given their shoes were down stairs by the door, "one of the most common injuries btw" and you start the process of fixing and cleaning up.
Wild Fire you just GTFO
A few friends in Texas that stayed.. Are now pretty convinced they are switching to the GTFO model if anything stage 3 and up starts to point in their direction.
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perterra
Adventurer
You sound pretty well set up, after Katrina hit I read where booze and cash were the preferred moneys. So maybe a stock of booze and some hard currency in small denominations to use if needed. A pint of whiskey had great value, one guy got all the labor he needed from some of the locals for a quart of cheap brandy. Plastic is worthless. As someone else said, a few different ways to cook, I have gasoline, propane and a fire pit. But something like one of these https://www.amazon.com/Shnozzle-SAFEST-Propane-Adapter-Cylinders/dp/B00EV59S1W can get you the ability to help neighbors. And if it goes to hell, your neighbors will be the ones you neeed.
And as much as it is a lightning rod, a way to protect yourself. Also in Katrina I listened to a reporter interview of an old guy with a generator, he said a thug came by, told him old man, I'm taking that generator. The old guy said I dont think so. The thug pulled out a knife, the old man pulled out his 357 (his words) the reporter asked what happened? The old man said, he decided he didnt want it no more. I dont think it needs to be much at all, but it doesnt hurt to have it and know how to use it.
grogie
Like to Camp
He didn't say that he was going to take on an angry mob, and a 9mm and a shotgun have different purposes/advantages. His recommendation is prudent.
A buddy of mine lived in Compton, CA, during the Rodney King riots. He described seeing groups of kids going door to door to "forage" for stuff. They avoided the 'hardened' houses, i.e. a couple of armed adults at or near the front of the street entrances. Even now, home invasions, i.e. "hitting licks," are at an all time high, with people treating others' homes as ATMs. It wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that all houses would be targeted in a time of stress.
calicamper
Expedition Leader
In those days and in that area all the houses were hard targets. LOL even today they all sport barred windows and doors. If you live in an area like that and are viewed as an outsider a gun wont save your stuff.
SoCal Tom
Explorer
I don’t speak about my self defense plan. But there is one.
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calicamper
Expedition Leader
Regarding the riots my dad had two students arrested in his class room two weeks after the riots 600 miles away sitting in Biology class. Seems both families rented a Uhaul together and went down to LA to um go shopping during the riots. You never hear about looters being picked up later, but yes they get caught.