Canon G9

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
In an attempt to avoid hijacking a different thread.....I'll move my comments here.

About a month ago, I purchased a Canon G9. This was done after nearly a year of contemplation on the move from a digital SLR back to a point and shoot. The primary reason for the move was physical size. The SLR + lenses is a bulky bit of gear. Not a big deal when travelling in the jeep, but it was a bit problematic when travelling on the motorcycle. This resulted in me not taking many pictures while on the moto trips, and sometimes simply leaving the camera at home during hiking/backpacking trips. The thought was that with a decent P & S, I would take more pictures on the moto trips and the non-mechanized trips.

I have been using nothing but digital SLR for the past 4 years or so, and have gotton quite used to the size, feel, and features. After reading several reviews of the G9, fondling it at a local shop, and talking to a few people about it, I spent the $$$.

On the surface, it is a nice camera. It has a robust feel (considering what it is), operation is smooth and quiet, the menu's are fairly intuitive, and the spec list is impressive.

What the G9 is not, is a SLR. You are virtually forced to use the LCD to compose your shots (the viewfinder is not all that accurate). There it the ever annoying "shutter lag"...that second or so from the time you push the "shutter release" button until it actually takes the image...and of course the 2 seconds or so from the time you push the button until the LCD lets you start composing the next shot. This isn't a huge problem for landscape, portraits, etc., but is really annoying when that Gila Monster is exiting stage left.

The versatility of the camera is, well, not on par with a dSLR. I expected this though....without the ability to change lenses, you simply lose versatility. The macro mode on the G9 is pretty good though. Combined with the IS, it allows you to shoot macro shots while hand holding the camera.

Somewhere I had read a spec list that listed the battery as the same as used in the Canon dSLR's. Well, that list lied. Batteries are not the same. Neither are the cards. The G9 uses SD cards rather than the CF cards that the SLR's use. So if you are hoping for interchangability there (like I was), you're out of luck.

There seems to be a lot of noise in the pictures. With the ISO at 800, it is worse than the SLR. At ISO100, it is still worse than the SLR. This is one area that really disappoints me. The reviews I have read stated that noise wasn't to bad. I disagree.

The images are also a bit soft. All of them.

The colors are also muted...but I will admit I have not had it out in really *good* light either. I find myself bumping the saturation on almost every image I take with it. Overall, I spend MUCH more time post-processing images from the G9 than from the dSLR. This may improve after spending some time with it and changing some of the default settings on the camera.

Overall, the image quality doesn't live up to the hype. At least it doesn't with the camera running the default settings.

The flash and shutter don't seem to be in time with each other. This could be the cummulative effect of a variety of factors, and requires some more "testing" before I am convinced there is a problem. But on my initial impression...something isn't right.

I'm not sure what causes the delay between shutter release and the LCD showing you the sensors view...maybe it is caused by the data transfer...but what ever it is, it sucks because rattling off multiple back to back shots isn't an option. There is a program mode which is supposed to allow you to shoot multiple shots back to back, but when I tried it, it would not let me record in RAW....only JPEG. Annoying at the least. I prefer to shoot in RAW, then tweak the image later to get the result I want (if needed), rather than let the camera decide what it thinks I want to see.

Start up and shut down times are pretty good. Faster than the dSLR.

Obviously, it is much smaller than the SLR. Much bigger (thicker) than many modern p&s cameras, but still small enough to stuff it into the pocket of a loose fitting pair of jeans or shorts.

The macro mode works pretty well. With the IS, you can hand hold the camera with small aperture sizes and end up with decent results. Something I can't do with the SLR. Macro + SLR = tripod required.

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So, there are my initial thoughts about this camera. I owe it some more time before I give up on it....but it certainly isn't a winner right out of the box. At least not for me.
 

Ursidae69

Traveller
I'm going to be picking up the Canon PowerShot S5 IS soon to test out. Not as pricey at the G9, but a better optical zoom. I'll post up some impressions of that when I get it. Thanks for this review of the G9.
 

the dude

Adventurer
Thanks for the review. We are in the hunt for a new digital and are really struggling with the size/weight of a DSLR VS the compactness of the P&S. I already have a canon Elan 7 35mm and lenses so I was looking at the new rebel or the G9.

The shutter lag seems to be a big complaint on this camera. It drives us nuts on our older sony Cybershot and it is even worse on our really old Canon power shot A310.

I never thought to look at the memory cards. I thought everyone was going the way of the CF memory card for the big storage capabilities.

Sheesh. Back to the drawing board. Are there any really nice P&S cameras that don't have the shutter lag? I am really interested on how you like the Canon PowerShot S5 IS
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
Think of this more as an "on-going string of thoughts and observations", not an end-all be-all review of the G9.

My testosterone levels prevent me from reading instruction manuals for at least 90 days from the date of purchase, and then only in a dark secluded spot when no one is looking. I am sure that this camera is capable of taking some fine photographs, if I can fumble my way through learning how to operate it efficiently.

I did learn that the "burst speed" (ability to rapidly take back to back pics) is agonizingly slow. How slow? Ugh...I hate to even type it.....21 frames per minute, without the flash, and with the focal plane locked. Not good. It also precludes you timing the series of shots...you have to hold the shutter release down, and the camera starts taking the shots at it's own speed, until you release the shutter, or the card is full.

Also, I found the exposure compensation that is tied to the flash. +2 / -2 in 1/3 stop increments. That will take some playing with to get it right, but it will likely solve my flash-related problems (see first post).

more later....
 

tdesanto

Expedition Leader
goodtimes said:
My testosterone levels prevent me from reading instruction manuals....

That's why they're called corrections instead of directions. :p

the dude said:
The shutter lag seems to be a big complaint on this camera.

I know it won't work for action shots or shots requiring an instant shutter actuation; however, if you prefocus first, then the shutter lag isn't as big of an issue. The auto focus speed (or lack thereof) is usually the culprit, not the shutter itself.
 

Photog

Explorer
tdesanto is correct about the autofocus being the culprit on shutterlag. An SLR with a slow focusing lens will have exactly the problem.

There are ways to add more lenses to the G9. If you are willing to have spare lenses for an SLR, you could do the same for the G9. The S5-IS has more zoom built in; but is missing RAW and a bit on the wide-angle end of the lens.

I was hoping I could use previous batteries and memory cards; but noooo. Many cameras (including pro SLRs) have SD slots now. I hope it isn't true; but it seems like the CF is being replaced by the SD cards.

As for the noise, I believe there is a setting adjustment for noise reduction, or sharpness.

As for the lack of vivid color, that is a setting in the "func" menu. This is where you find the flash exposure, file size, white balance, etc. You can choose: off, vivid, neutral, sepia, B&W, etc. Set it on vivid (V), for bold colors. If you use Photoshop RAW, it does not see these types of settings for the RAW files. You will want to make a set of consistent adjustments, and save it to apply to all the images, with a push of a button. If you are using the Canon software, it will recognize all of your settings. just shoot RAW+jpeg and be done.

If you read through the review on DPReview, it will at least give you an idea of its abilities (without reading the manual).:luxhello:
 
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cshontz

Supporting Sponsor
For much more saturated photos, try shooting in Foliage mode. It was a personal favorite when I had my Powershot S80. I probably used the Foliage setting too much - I honestly miss it.

Also, you say the battery isn't the same as your SLR? Don't you have a digital Rebel? I know my XTi uses the same type of battery that my defunct S80 used, which is the same battery used in the G9 to my knowledge. NB-2LH/NB-2L

When I use point-and-shoots, I just keep the ISO at its lowest 50-100 setting. In fact, I pretty much ignore the fact that I'm even able to change the ISO. This is contrary to what a proper photographer would do, and it won't help you capture the scurrying Gila Monster in low-light, but it ensures pretty good IQ.

Why do you prefer CF, Brian? Only curious. I have an SD slot on the side of my computer that I so wish I could take advantage of with my XTi.

Whether one goes from SLR to P&S, or vice versa, I think one has to re-learn... possibly even un-learn in the case of the P&S. :)
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
RE: shutter lag

There are a couple options, including locking out the AF feature. Basically, this allows the camera to focus for the first shot, then maintains that focal plane until you release the button. When I did the test yesterday, this is what I did. I also disabled the flash. When holding the button down for 60 seconds, I got 21 images pushed onto a 4 gig SD-HC card.



RE: CF cards

Yes, it uses the SD cards. Bastards. I prefer the CF cards because I already have a bunch. I had to buy new SD cards for the G9.




RE: Batteries

No joy. Different batteries than my dRebel. Bastards.




RE: "foliage mode"

Any of the automatic modes preclude the use of RAW. It is JPEG only in those modes. That is kind of the point or RAW though. Take exactlly what the sensor saw, don't do anything to it, letting the user manipulate it as they see fit...as opposed to any of the automatic modes which take the sensor data and adjust it for you. More light (information) gives you more options in post processing.



I plan to give the G9 some time this weekend. Hopefully I'll be happier with it after the trip.
 

Photog

Explorer
cshontz said:
Why do you prefer CF, Brian? Only curious. I have an SD slot on the side of my computer that I so wish I could take advantage of with my XTi.

Like Goodtimes, I already own a bunch of CF cards. I don't think their function is any different, better or worse.

The actual reason I like CF cards is because they are sized for adult hands. The techno-industry can downsize all they want; but my fingers are not getting any smaller. SD cards are too fiddely. As for the card slot in the computer: I installed a PCMCIA CF card reader, since my computer didn't come with a card slot. Having an SD card slot built into a laptop makes sense though, because many PDAs, MP3 players and cameras use this card size now.

So; I agree with Goodtimes - G9 uses SD cards - BASTARDS!

Rebel XT & XTi both use the NB-2LH, same as the G9.

My G3 & G5 both used the BP-511 or BP-512. I think some of the earlier Rebels also used this battery. I had a few extra BP-511s, and they would not work in my G9 either. BUT; the new NB-2LH is a better battery, and they are rechargable. My film cameras used disposable batteries, which ended up costing more than these rechargables, in the long run. So; no complaints from me.
 
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kcowyo

ExPo Original
goodtimes said:
I plan to give the G9 some time this weekend. Hopefully I'll be happier with it after the trip.

Lermme know if the G9 just not gonna work out for you. I'll give you $100 for the POS. :punk03:
 

TrailBlazer03

Observer
The G9 is a really good camera. It just doesn't LOOK good to me, in terms of apperence, and reminds me too much of a slim line camera, which I already have appears to take slightly better photos then the S5. But still...doesn't really seem like what I would go for.
 

Schattenjager

Expedition Leader
I love my G9 - of course I am no pro - but did get a few extras that really help out:

LensMate with polarizer lens - others like UV are also available

Separate flash

Underwater case - just in case I'm extra klutzy on the boat

Put black traction tape bits on the body to enhance grip - this was a BIG help

I also turned off the "image display" feature - the one that shows you the shot you just took. That has really sped up my photos and made the camera more fun.

I also turned the quality of the images to MAX
:victory:
 

TrailBlazer03

Observer
Schattenjager said:
I love my G9 - of course I am no pro - but did get a few extras that really help out:

LensMate with polarizer lens - others like UV are also available

Separate flash

Underwater case - just in case I'm extra klutzy on the boat

Put black traction tape bits on the body to enhance grip - this was a BIG help

I also turned off the "image display" feature - the one that shows you the shot you just took. That has really sped up my photos and made the camera more fun.

I also turned the quality of the images to MAX
:victory:


I like the fact that it's 12 megapixels, other than that. It really strikes my fancy as a close-t0-slim line camera.
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
I'm still kicking the idea of the lensmate around. There is no question that it adds to the versatility of the camera...but it starts going down the wrong road. I bought the G9 because I wanted a "one piece" camera. When you start adding things (lensmate + filters + doublers, etc, external flash, etc), I run into the same problem I have with the dSLR...to much crap! I bought the G9 to be a simple, compact alternative to the SLR for the moto trips (primary) and the hiking/backpacking trips (secondary). I'm very much looking for a "point and shoot" camera. Not a "point, change filters, point again, change lenses, point again, reconsider the filter change, point again, wait for the sun to move, point again, try to get the Gila Monster to turn around, point again, ...blah blah blah...then shoot" camera. If I'm going to be out taking pictures, I'll take the SLR. This is for the trips where photography is much lower on the list of goals.

KC, that $100 will serve as a deposit. It will take several more $100 payments to get the camera out of my hands, even if I end up not liking it. :littlefriend:
 
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TrailBlazer03

Observer
Well if the G9 didn't have the same kind of LCD screen i haveon myT10 I'd prolly get that since it's 12.4 megapixels, but I've been known to drop things :oops: , so the S5...with the flip and twist to hide the LCD, seems like the best move for me. :)
 

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