Cheaper lift than slee?

[Sawyer]

I am surprised that with all of the 100 series out there that no one makes a drop bracket. In my neighborhood it seems like every third house has a 100 series. One family has 3 100 series!

I think the cost would be so high nobody could afford it. Just my thoughts, but generally the 100 series crowd isn't into huge lifts, or overly complicated lift kits. The front end of the 100 is very robust and drop brackets and spacers would make it much weaker. I have jumped mine, slammed down on the bump stops going 50+MPH, crawled with it, everything you can imagine I have done to the front end and I have no issues...

Man...I have spent so much time exploring this and other ideas.......The drop bracket isn't really that hard to make nor that expensive. I also think the higher quality systems out there have been proven on other platforms. But, that always ends in a debate no one wins. The issue that comes into play is the steering gear, knuckle, and anti-sway bar. Here is a thread I started over on Mud that goes into it in more detail about more lift, long travel systems, etc. (yeah, I go by mxndrnks over there...). It was a pretty good discussion I thought between mainly myself, Spresso (Dan) and Autocraft (Darrien).

http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/520268-diff-drop-questions.html#post6972574

Bottom line is anything is possible with the right amount of cash.... But, you started this to find a low cost way to lift. So, it is all moot anyway.

 

[UK4X4]

mm OK 16- drive the truck as it is- save your dad's money for your education !

 

[JOnesbilt24]

Maybe you should start paying for your own gas before you start spending your ol mans cash on an unnecessary lift kit.

 

[zimm]

http://www.bumpitoffroad.com/products/100/styled/info.html 165.00

vs

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/suspension_pieces_spacers.htm 245.00

 

[Chris Sandstorm Fj]

You can run 33's stock on a 100.

You see the darndest things on the internets....I saw this thread and thought I had an opinion, bumpin along reading the posts...Only to find my rig in the thread all ready....

Very nice example of stock with 33s if I do say so.

But on the OP's original Q. If you are looking for an affordable lift. Slee's price is very competitive, if not one of the best prices. Price OME around and then add in the diff drop, Slee's price is better then most.

 

[CA-RJ]

Chris, when I was looking at 100's (before I bought my 80), I came across your 100 and loved it. I bookmarked the picture for future reference. It came in handy.

 

[NoahTheMod]

don't put spacers in that's just stupid. buy OME or IronMan rear springs and crank your OEM t-bars. you might have to reindex them but it's easy. buy the diff drop later or if you know someone with a welder then you can actually cut and fab your stock one.

 

[zimm]

don't put spacers in that's just stupid. buy OME or IronMan rear springs and crank your OEM t-bars. you might have to reindex them but it's easy. buy the diff drop later or if you know someone with a welder then you can actually cut and fab your stock one.

gee noah, you seem to be a real mechanic...

.. tell us why a spacer is bad.

 

[NoahTheMod]

why half *** something? Rear springs from Slee costs $169 for the pair, you could probably get them cheaper or used ones. If you can't afford that then you shouldn't own a ************* 100 series land cruiser. Three fill ups on gas will cost you that much.

never said they were bad just said they were stupid.

 

[zimm]

why half *** something? Rear springs from Slee costs $169 for the pair, you could probably get them cheaper or used ones. If you can't afford that then you shouldn't own a ************* 100 series land cruiser. Three fill ups on gas will cost you that much.

never said they were bad just said they were stupid.

thats a nice opinion. im trying to educate myself as to the issues that arise that make it half assed.


so, why is it half assed, technically. what does one gain by putting in custom parts? do you gain articulation? are the aftermarket springs accurate on their compression ratings? if a spring fails can you get one the next day and will it ride the same as the one you replaced? will a spacer fall out? do spacers fail?

exactly what issues arise from using a spacer as opposed to a new spring?

 

[sleeoffroad]

One of the biggest issues with spacers are that you raise the center of gravity and you do not increase the spring rate. That increases body roll when going around corners. Certain cheap springs can fail like the generic MR Gasket spacers that some people use.

Adding a spacer to a spring also increases the changes of getting into a coil bind situation when compressing the spring. Repeated coil bind will cause the spring to sag. Coil bind is where the spring is compresses until the coils touch. Coil springs are not designed to do that.

Normally a moderate spacer like a 1" (or 30mm) is not going to cause that big of an issue.

In short, one has to answer the question as to why you are lifting the vehicle or even changing suspension components at all. Looks or functionality. If it is for looks make sure the changes you make does not negatively affect the ride or create dangerous conditions. Either way speak to someone that has experience with your vehicle and has experience with various setups to enure you go down the right path.

 

[zimm]

One of the biggest issues with spacers are that you raise the center of gravity and you do not increase the spring rate. That increases body roll when going around corners. Certain cheap springs can fail like the generic MR Gasket spacers that some people use.

Adding a spacer to a spring also increases the changes of getting into a coil bind situation when compressing the spring. Repeated coil bind will cause the spring to sag. Coil bind is where the spring is compresses until the coils touch. Coil springs are not designed to do that.

Normally a moderate spacer like a 1" (or 30mm) is not going to cause that big of an issue.

In short, one has to answer the question as to why you are lifting the vehicle or even changing suspension components at all. Looks or functionality. If it is for looks make sure the changes you make does not negatively affect the ride or create dangerous conditions. Either way speak to someone that has experience with your vehicle and has experience with various setups to enure you go down the right path.

thanks christo, but i wanted the meat monger to answer.

a 100 isnt likely to have big coil bind issues, all there is to worry about is COG, and couple inches of lift is no more dangerous than a roof load. if one likes the stock ride, and doesnt need a rate increase for bolt ons, a spring spacer is a better alternative.

you also must consider unsprung weight. often a lift is also in conjunction with larger, heavier tires. an increase in spring rate isnt a bad idea for control.