Chevy Kodiak

GlobalMonkey

Adventurer
just to explain, the way we came up with the KODIAK idea is that we test drove a 1 ton Chevy Silverado with Duramax and loved it, but after we added all the weight, we realized a little bigger truck might be a good idea. Especially since we are bringing with us a motorcycle,Tomas
 
Read first Stephen Stewart's dissertation with attention to how hard it is to stay within GVW. The find a copy of Tom Sheppard's book and how adamant he is about the criticality of staying under GVW.
Some instructive experiences of ExPo members:
I had an 88 F350 4X4 CC with a 4Wheel popup. No problem? Of course it had massive F/R bumpers with dual hydraulic winches, PTO driven pump with dual transfer cases, 87 gal fuel capacity, 325/85R16s, etc. It weighed 11000 lb!
Doug Hackney hasn't revealed his weight but you can bet it's at least a bit over GVW.
Bttgraphix is 750 lb over.
Etc.
If you get a Kodiak for heaven's sake get a 5500, not a 4500. The GVW difference could be up to 19500 vs. 16000 (difference between class 4 and 5) for a very few lbs of chassis weight and a few dollars.
Weight is always a problem with these vehicles because of our ambitions for a nice living space and our desire to bring things along.

Charlie
 
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GlobalMonkey

Adventurer
Charlie, I think we are gonna copy the inside of your UNICAT camper, it looks pretty close to what we imagined. I still would like to incorporate some sort of a storage space for a motorcycle, possibly under the queen size bed. Would you happen to have some measurements of your camper? Thanks, Tomas

charlieaarons said:
Read first Stephen Stewart's dissertation with attention to how hard it is to stay within GVW. The find a copy of Tom Sheppard's book and how adamant he is about the criticality of staying under GVW.
Some instructive experiences of ExPo members:
I had an 88 F350 4X4 CC with a 4Wheel popup. No problem? Of course it had massive F/R bumers with dual hydraulic winches, PTO driven pump with dual transfer cases, 87 gal fuel capacity, 325/85R16s, etc. It weighed 11000 lb!
Doug Hackney hasn't revealed his weight but you can bet it's at least a bit over GVW.
Bttgraphix is 750 lb over.
Etc.
If you get a Kodiak for heaven's sake get a 5500, not a 4500. The GVW difference could be up to 19500 vs. 16000 (difference between class 4 and 5) for a very few lbs of chassis weight and a few dollars.
Weight is always a problem with these vehicles because of our ambitions for a nice living space and our desire to bring things along.

Charlie
 
It is (outside dimensions) 4.8m(15'9'') long, 2.36m (93") wide, 2.1m(83") tall. All walls 2.4" thick except floor which is 3.8". But I think it is too long/too heavy for even a 5500, especially a crewcab. You have seen inside pictures on the Unicat site(s)?
It could weigh up to 6200 lb with furniture, very heavy duty mounts and completely fitted out (plumbing, electronics, other immovable stuff). Then all the other payload stuff (fuel, water, fuel tanks, winches, generator, bullbar, spare tires, tools, parts, recovery gear, supplies, food, odds and ends to live and travel) is about another 6800 lb.

Charlie
 
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btggraphix

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charlieaarons said:
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Bttgraphix is 750 lb over.
Etc.
If you get a Kodiak for heaven's sake get a 5500, not a 4500. The GVW difference could be up to 19500 vs. 16000 (difference between class 4 and 5) for a very few lbs of chassis weight and a few dollars.
....
Charlie

All good advice....this one bit above though:

In 4x4 trim, the difference between the two is exactly 19,500 versus 17,500 in all cases. 4x4 eliminates all of the options you have that result in varying GVWR. The cost difference is negligable.

I know it sounds like rationalizing - but from everything I have found from dealers, internet searching, questioning GMC MDT forums and on and on, there is one confirmed difference between the 5500 and the 4500 - the rear spring pack. I got rumor from one dealer (a sales guy and none of the mechanics could confirm or deny it) is that the brake proportioning might be different in the 5500, more braking applied to the rear.

All other running gear that is documented is the same, axles, transfer case, tranny, engine, etc. etc.

Now, having said that, I would absolutely concur with Charlie that for heavens sake, buy the 5500 as if that is the weight range you are targeting, that's what you should buy. I actually investigated swapping out the rear spring pack to the 5500 version, but was beaten up by the local mechanics here who I discussed it with as the two general questions were "do you want it to ride stiffer or not?" and "do you find the current suspension to be too mushy?" The answers to both were: no....not really.

Trust me, after driving around a 3/4 truck overloaded by about 1000 pounds, I know what mushy and overloaded feels like! My biggest dissappointment when finding the rig I bought already setup was "why oh why did he put it on a 4500 and not a 5500" but in doing a lot of checking into it before I bought it, I came to the conclusion that I would not let that issue determine if I bought it or not.

Stewarts writeup is in fact a great read; I read it before I bought my rig....like you said even if you aren't going to follow all his suggestions, it is just as important to understand them.
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Errr?

And this is a surprise, how?

It would seem that his present beast is the logical culmination of his past experiences. We should , of course, let him speak for himself, but, loosely:

-- Bedford truck (lorry): He learns to drive the big iron and discovers the need for comfort.

-- Camper: He gets the comfort but remembers why he liked the big iron.

-- Unimog: He pulls it all together, but has to spend a ton of work and money.

-- M A N: Good package out the door, newer, hopefully more reliable truck, and I'll bet money that he has spent some change to make those changes he considers most important.

I don't see a conflict.
 

GlobalMonkey

Adventurer
DiploStrat said:
And this is a surprise, how?

It would seem that his present beast is the logical culmination of his past experiences. We should , of course, let him speak for himself, but, loosely:

-- Bedford truck (lorry): He learns to drive the big iron and discovers the need for comfort.

-- Camper: He gets the comfort but remembers why he liked the big iron.

-- Unimog: He pulls it all together, but has to spend a ton of work and money.

-- M A N: Good package out the door, newer, hopefully more reliable truck, and I'll bet money that he has spent some change to make those changes he considers most important.

I don't see a conflict.

I was surprised to see him with a big MAN, from his writing I had a feeling that he would preffer something smaller, like a Mercedes Vario with a box. On the other side, his MAN doesn't look all that big next to a TATRA 815 (picture taken in Iceland).....
 

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GlobalMonkey

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BTW, after reading all of your comments and ideas, we are leaning toward a little bigger truck...at least KODIAK 5500 or even bigger...Tomas
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Scholars differ ...

but is it time for some contrarian thinking.

Small is beautiful for shipping, profile, fuel consumption, and your pocket book. The "classic" overland vehicle is still the old VW bus, thousands of which have crossed the sand of the Sahara and the mud of the Congo. [OK, not always under their own power. ;-) ] You don't need Godzilla Truck.

Consider this quote:

"We have been very happy with our choice of the [Provan] Tiger as we have lived in it full time for more than a year and a half; traveling (so far) 47,000 miles through the US, Canada, and ten other countries. It has proven itself to be comfortable, reliable, and very capable of taking us everywhere we have wanted to go. Certainly there are many satisfactory choices of a vehicle for travel such as this. Only careful research and an accurate analysis of your own needs will lead you to a choice that you will be happy with. We will say that we’ve spoken to two other couples with lots of over land travel experience who selected larger vehicles after looking at the Tiger and thinking it too small. Both now say that they wish they’d chosen something smaller than they did. You can learn more about the Tiger at www.tigermotorhomes.com ."

This from the Howes' website at: http://www.travelin-tortuga.com/Site/Our_Vehicle.html

I freely grant that they are not attempting Africa and I have never traveled the silkroad, so I cannot comment on that part of the world.

My wife and l lived "beside" a Blazer on two long trips and, were we to do it again, we would have at least a roof tent and preferably, a full camper. But we still would not attempt anything much bigger than the Tiger for just the two of us.

Both Tiger and Earthroamer have uprated their trucks over the years; as Dr. Aarons and others have correctly noted, the GVWR starts to spiral when you add in 60 USG of fuel (minimum for Africa) and 20 USG of water. Thus going to the one ton pick up over the 1/2 ton, or even into the medium truck (Kodiak/Ford 5XX) could make a lot of sense. You want your truck over rated and probably undersprung a bit. As a quick Mark I Eyeball test, if your truck is on the overload springs before you hop aboard, it's too small. If, on the other hand, the springs aren't even compressed - keep the truck but downrate the springs. (Overland trucks need a S O F T suspension - not stiff. Think early Range Rover.)

Final thought. While presenting an argument for a smaller vehicle, remember, you are talking about Third World travel, not the Rubicon. You are not very likely to ever drive a road that is not used by huge trucks and busses. Even a "monster" MAN camper is unlikely to be the biggest thing on the road. (May be a bear to park, however.)

And a Final, Final Thought: What is the fate of the truck after the trip? Is this a one-shot deal, to be sold/junked at the end, or are you buying a camper for years of use. If the latter, and you live in the US, then US spec is essential, just as M. Stewart has to worry about his camper passing the MOT.)

And a Third Final Thought: Zen and the art of Overlanding. Most Overlanders get VERY burned out after about six months to a year. I have met any number who are so worn down by breakdowns, mechanical problems, petty bureaucracy hassles, money problems, etc., that they have long since given up doing any touring and are just trying to arrive alive. Rather than trying to go around the world - try doing just Europe or Central America first. Then go home, make corrections, and plan your next trip. You may find you enjoy BOTH trips more.

Have a good, safe trip.
 
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haven

Expedition Leader
"Most Overlanders get VERY burned out after about six months to a year. I have met any number who are so worn down by breakdowns, mechanical problems, petty bureaucracy hassles, money problems, etc.,"

Very true. Add personality conflicts and conflicts in goals to the list. Few people, even married couples, can get along with each other for months at a time while living in an 7 foot wide, 12 foot long box on wheels. It takes great patience and a willingness to overlook petty annoyances.

Chip Haven
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
And Just Because ...

I can't stay out of this thread, consider this one: http://expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12766

The combo of a one ton pickup, cargo sides, and a pop up camper is very nice, expecially if you can avoid Siberia in the winter.

In this case, I would have gone:

-- Extended cab vs. Crew
-- Long Camper vs. Short
-- and maybe Chevy vs. Ford.

You might talk me up to the medium duty trucks for the reasons mentioned, remembering that an overlander, as opposed to weekender needs:

-- 60-100 USG of fuel (the middle of the Sahara used to be 600 mi or 1,000 km.)
-- 5 USG water per person per day for ?? (Five days is good.)
-- Space for tools, shovel, sand ladders, tow rope, parts - must assume no local availability for normal wear parts for duration of trip. (Six months?)

These are some of the factors that push an overlanders weight over that of an in country weekend explorer.
 

jayshapiro

Adventurer
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Just for fun tonight I picked up a Truck Trader and started leafing through the pages. (it's a bad habit that's hard to break!)

Found three trucks, that I thought you might find "interesting":

#1 - 2005 GMC C5500 Kodiak Crew Cab 4x4 w/nice utility body - $39k

#2 - 2004 GMC C6500 Crew cab, w/CAT engine (can be uprated to 350HP once declared as an "RV"), currently has a pick-up bed on it that you could use to either hold a slide-in truck camper, or remove and sell it. (very rare to find one on this model truck) - All it really needs is a simple 4x4 conversion, but the savings on the older truck may make this a bargain to do. - No price but listed as "must go!"

#3 - Left field option: 1985 Ford F700 4x4 rural fire truck. Only 5,000 miles and only $18,000. You'd have to take off the pumper body, but $18k for a virtually 'new' condition 4x4 F700 with the CAT engine could be a pretty nice deal. Especially with that cool remote control joystick water cannon on the roof!

I'm just saying...


Cheers & Happy Chassis Hunting,
Jay.
 

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