Clutch’s deep thoughts thread...

Todd780

OverCamper
Let's see if Ford can manage to keep the Ranger in production longer than 5 years...
I think the world Ranger is due for a new redesign in 2022 anyway. So it's possible this truck (2019 NA Ranger) was just a stop gap measure to get into the market before the new Ranger is released in 2022. (so possibly NA will see it sometime around 2029? lol) I'm just speculating though...
 

battleaxe

Captain Obvious
Based on what I've seen so far of the new JL platform, I don't have high expectations for the Gladiator. FCA's quality control just isn't where it needs to be with some of their vehicles. But of course until their sales #'s start to suffer, that's not going to change.

GM's gasoline engine has actually gotten some criticism as being rough-running, especially on 87 octane....whether that is an indicator of the engine's longevity/reliability or just an inconsequential quirk is anyone's guess and will be proven over time. The 2.8l diesel isn't GM's design (despite what the Duramax crowd likes to claim), though it actually has a bit of a track record in overseas vehicles, to include the Jeep. So long as the emissions are fine-tuned, i don't see any potential pitfalls with that design.

That's really the shame, you know? They're making such crap vehicles, and riding on the coattails of branding, without a care to the consumer. I can imagine the JL will be the least desirable in the used market way down the line.

My cousins husband is a sales guy with Dodge, and he's a huge wannabe jeep nerd (wouldn't know a wrench if it punched him in the mouth though). When I told him the diesel is the same across the board, he flat out told me I was wrong, and Jeep was redesigning the diesel just for the Gladiator.

My wife had a Terrain with that v6, and we honestly never had any complaints about it, however that was only over the course of 40,000km.

The diesel has a decent track record in Australia, but overall the users are disappointed in the longevity. They're not a million mile engine the way that the Nissan and Toyota diesels are.
 

battleaxe

Captain Obvious
I think the world Ranger is due for a new redesign in 2022 anyway. So it's possible this truck (2019 NA Ranger) was just a stop gap measure to get into the market before the new Ranger is released in 2022. (so possibly NA will see it sometime around 2029? lol) I'm just speculating though...

You're totally right... I keep forgetting that they've been building them overseas for a while.
 

Todd780

OverCamper
Based on what I've seen so far of the new JL platform, I don't have high expectations for the Gladiator.
I hope it's good. If I can downsize to a midsize when it's time to replace my current truck, I'd like to look at Gladiators, Rangers and Tacomas. I'm not sure at 6'1", if l'l be able to be comfy in a Tacoma. Even with a power seat...
 

battleaxe

Captain Obvious
I hope it's good. If I can downsize to a midsize when it's time to replace my current truck, I'd like to look at Gladiators, Rangers and Tacomas. I'm not sure at 6'1", if l'l be able to be comfy in a Tacoma. Even with a power seat...

I'm 6'3", no power seat in my '16 Taco. I fit ok. Get a sunroof though, gives you a little more clearance.

Yep, I think it's been out globally since 2011? It seems to have a good reputation abroad. But, that truck also has a different power train....

I hate how that's always the case... And the powertrain is usually better too.
 

Todd780

OverCamper
I'm 6'3", no power seat in my '16 Taco. I fit ok. Get a sunroof though, gives you a little more clearance.
Thanks for the tip. I'l just never open it so it doesn't break... lol. So, what about $1,500 for an extra inch or two of headroom? Can you even get a sunroof in lower trim levels?

I'm an oddball in that I usually raise my seat all the way up so I'm sitting like I would in a chair. I like the thigh support on long drives as I find it helps the knees...

I hate how that's always the case... And the powertrain is usually better too.
Usually. Personally I'd rather see a NA V6 in the Ranger like the Colorado / Gladiator and Tacoma offer. I'd skip the diesel even if it were offered here. To me the diesel option just adds to the purchase price and maintenance costs. Plus where I am it's usually at least 10 cents per liter more for diesel than regular gas.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Thanks for the tip. I'l just never open it so it doesn't break... lol. So, what about $1,500 for an extra inch or two of headroom? Can you even get a sunroof in lower trim levels?

I'm an oddball in that I usually raise my seat all the way up so I'm sitting like I would in a chair. I like the thigh support on long drives as I find it helps the knees...

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You would like my Isuzu Trooper, it is like sitting on a bar stool compared to my Tacoma. Though I am weird..much prefer the seating position in the Taco...the Trooper's makes my legs go numb on long drives.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Well, my answer is in your response. I just need to ride around in a motorized bar stool...

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See it also has an A/C seat and heated thigh warmers, pretty much all you need right there.

Though, while a bit under powered, this one is a little cooler...

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bkg

Explorer
Based on what I've seen so far of the new JL platform, I don't have high expectations for the Gladiator. FCA's quality control just isn't where it needs to be with some of their vehicles. But of course until their sales #'s start to suffer, that's not going to change.



GM's gasoline engine has actually gotten some criticism as being rough-running, especially on 87 octane....whether that is an indicator of the engine's longevity/reliability or just an inconsequential quirk is anyone's guess and will be proven over time. The 2.8l diesel isn't GM's design (despite what the Duramax crowd likes to claim), though it actually has a bit of a track record in overseas vehicles, to include the Jeep. So long as the emissions are fine-tuned, i don't see any potential pitfalls with that design.

Ford's introduction of a turbo-gasoline may in fact shake up the midsized market, and motivate other OEM's (Toyota) to put out more torque-friendly designs....we'll have to wait and see.




I've looked at the chassis' that the two OEM's (Ford and Toyota); Toyota seems to over-engineer their 1/2 ton in a number of measurable ways....I therefore draw the conclusion that Toyota's truck is more robustly built, but I definitely acknowledge that conclusion is totally subjective. The differences in brake size, gearing, frame, drivetrain specs aren't subjective however, and are well worth a look.


Definitely interesting how two people can look at the same thing and draw opposite conclusions, eh? ?
 

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