I couldn't find a crimper for their pins under $200
While knockoffs for the Deutsch DT pins are easily found for ~$40
If you could link to a decent substitute, I'd like to give them a try, the DTs don't go past 12-way at higher amps.
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While knockoffs for the Deutsch DT pins are easily found for ~$40
If you could link to a decent substitute, I'd like to give them a try, the DTs don't go past 12-way at higher amps.
DaveInDenver
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Molex 63811-1000 crimper work on the terminals, they are standard Type III+ crimps. So basically any tool you currently use for AMP, TE, Molex or similar will work acceptably for the non MIL-SPEC CPCs. Their approved tool (The TE Pro-Crimper III) is of course expensive but as you know what you need to pass an industry acceptance isn't quite the same as what you can make work personally. That's no different for the DT-series, Metri-Pack or really any of the terminals any of us recommend.
Photobug
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DaveInDenver
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If you do MIL-SPEC then you really can't do CPC. They would have to be proper MIL-C-5015 or MIL-DTL-38999 and the correct crimpers to pass dimension, visual and pull test.
If all you're doing is a 50 mm/min rate and AWG-dependent force check and don't care that's not an absolutely perfect looking or sized then you should be fine. Any commercial grade crimper should meet it functionally with standard grade CPC.
ETA: Just thought of this, if you're using Deutsch DT for military (I wasn't aware they were available in MIL-SPEC to be honest) then you could just get dies for the tool to match CPC. They're both TE lines so if the dies themselves aren't compatible then surely the tool frames must be.
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Photobug
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These seem more oriented to signal than power. Using your link I was looking for something compatible in a 13A rating and it did not exist.
You need the correct terminals for the ire gauge. The “extension cord” I made for my portable solar setup is 10 awg, as an example.
DaveInDenver
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The Series 1, size 16 contacts are rated 13 amps. The Series 2, size 20 contacts are rated 7.5 amps. Series 3 power connector terminals are rated 25 amps and the Series 5 Powerband are rated 45 amps.
I would suggest Series 5, would look similar to this. The largest pin and socket accept 8 AWG wire.
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Sorry I wasn't more clear, I don't go that far.
Just meant I regularly confirm my connection integrity by doing MIL-T-7928G type tensile strength pull tests.
ABYC E-11 isn't worth a hill of beans, UL-486A marginal.
Photobug
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I got to ask: How many of you are engineers? If not does your work require to understand the difference between
MIL-T-7928G, ABYC E-11 and UL-486A?
I am more OCD than most, but just knowing the best-practice standards doesn't have to mean always following them.
When customers want me to cut corners, knowing the logic behind the rules lets me do so without compromising (much) on safety and reliability.
And also let's me know when that's a customer worth firing, do not want my name associated with shoddy work.
And it really isn't rocket science anyway. . .
Plenty of EE types not specialising in DC electrickery get screwed up focussing on the theoretical, not realizing how clueless they are about the nuts & bolts.
When customers want me to cut corners, knowing the logic behind the rules lets me do so without compromising (much) on safety and reliability.
And also let's me know when that's a customer worth firing, do not want my name associated with shoddy work.
And it really isn't rocket science anyway. . .
Plenty of EE types not specialising in DC electrickery get screwed up focussing on the theoretical, not realizing how clueless they are about the nuts & bolts.
DaveInDenver
Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Spent the first 15 years out of engineering school designing analog and mixed signal printed circuit assemblies for satellites, worked and tested to MIL and NASA standards. Since leaving Denver a few years ago worked contracts that required UL consumer, SAE heavy truck, IEC/NEC, API design codes. I've never had to work to ABYC, just heard mention of it related to vehicles and RVs, mostly here.
Photobug
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That is key, understanding the standards so you know how to meet your own needs, while not building to Nasa standards.
I am glad someone here is willing to read up and know these standards, so I don't have to.
shade
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I ordered the Compass Marine (mainesail) DIY Modular Crimper with all of the dies. I needed three of the four, and I figured that when I realized I needed the fourth, they'd no longer be available.
I also ordered the FTZ Correct Crimp Heavy Duty Ratcheting Lug Crimp Tool. I've gotten by without one over the years, but I can afford to do better. It'll also be a big hit with some welders and mechanics I know.
Thanks for the guidance.
I also ordered the FTZ Correct Crimp Heavy Duty Ratcheting Lug Crimp Tool. I've gotten by without one over the years, but I can afford to do better. It'll also be a big hit with some welders and mechanics I know.
Thanks for the guidance.
Photobug
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I am considering the same purchase for the Andersons, MC4, and heat shrink connectors. Do you know what the B-F connectors are good for?
I also bought a cheap weather pack crimper I have yet to use.