Considering a used 2005 LR3

[Tanto]

This thread crashed and burned a long time ago, considering that I bought an LR3 for less than $23K last weekend. That is when the debate actually ended.

 

[nwoods]

Yeap. Now you just get to enjoy the truck in the real world and not live in fear of internet rumormongers.

 

[4Rescue]

I take 1000 mile hard wheeling weekends in my disco all the time and nobody ever has towed my truck.

most of the reputation of land rover break downs in the united states has been from soccer moms and dealerships. All the ratings and consumer reviews are in the mainstream use not the enthusiast use.

Toyota makes a great product and 2 of my constant wheeling buddies drives them. The drivetrains are great and thats one reason that rover guys grab the thirds and swap them into ours.

Do rovers have issues...sure they do. But to discount them and claim you would be towing us home is just far from correct

I meant 10,000

...and I was really just exagerating to make a point, you're right, they're both neat rigs, I merely think it's a bit pointless to claim that they're as robust as Toyota 4x4's, are they as capable? Oh hell yeah, but inch for inch and pound for pound they're just not as durable. Do I like Rovers?? Sure do, there's something that just screams Expedition and off-road about them and I like the fact that they have stuck to their guns and kept making SFA 4wd's untill the LR3 came along, I'm still pissed at Toyota for A) droping the SFA option/set-up entirely back in 1985 and B) not giving us N.Americans the option of buying Diesel's and C) not letting us NA'ers buy 70 series Cruisers. to me the 70 Series Cruiser is about as perfect as an off the lot 4wd get's.

Like I said, I will never fault anyone for choosing a Rover, but if someone ask's the question or for an opinion on them (or Rovers -vs- totota) I will honestly tell them that they have their problems and that all in all Toyotas are a better deal long term.

I do find it neat that toyota 3rds drop into Rover housings, and I still think that the Series rover with the full 22RE and SFA drivetrain is one of the neatest trucks I've ever seen.

This largely comes down to personal preference. IMO, we split hairs over quality when it comes to the major auto makers.

My personal preference is toward Jeeps, Land Rovers, and GM ...

you lost me at GM... YEEEUCK!!!! Now there's a company I wont miss when it dies... And I owned quite a few Jeeps before I got bitten by the Toyota bug...That's why I drive Toyota's now

I agree with the personal pref. statement though, that's a fair thing to say, were all clearly very proud of our particular brand of choice... but still I can't belive you like GM products, they lost my love around 1990 when they stoped making trucks and sxtarted churning out complete garbage. Oh that and the 2.8 V6 and 6.2 Diesels that made my life hell for the few years I had to use them (1 in my Trooper, and the other in our Sanding truck at Timberline Lodge)

hey I am a bit short this week...could you shoot me over a measly $1000 LOL

as I posted stock for stock.

there are lots of people that want to touch a button and lift their truck for a saturday outing. Then touch that same button and hand the truck back off to the wife for soccer mom duty.

can the cruiser do that?

see like I said way way back, people make choices for all sorts of reasons.

I like my disco on 5" springs with ARB's that will do family camping duty or rock crawl all day long. I built it the way I did to accomodate my usage. Just as you built your 100 the way you wanted it.(nice build by the way)

choices...we all have them and we all make them. Tanto's choice was for a LR3. I would have bought a disco, you would have bought a cruiser, yet we all can have made the correct choice.

Thom

man it's pretty hard to argue with that, very well put Musky.

So when is the next big outing that everyone here is going to??? I just want Winter to be over and I want to go out and get dirty!!!!!

Cheers

Dave

 

[Tanto]

In reality, I keep passing up GM products for Jeeps and now for Land Rovers. :sombrero:

BTW, GM just announced that they are healthy enough to not take the gov. handout.

 

[Tom B]

That said, it costs a measly $1000 to do a suspension swap on a LC that will lift it 2.75-3 inches, increase travel, and fit 35" tires and no other upgrades are needed because the axles and such are so overbuilt.

I would disagree that the 100 series front axle is "so overbuilt". It is my opinion (like many others) that the 8" reverse-cut Toyota diff is underengineered for the 100 series. My 100 series diff broke in 10" of snow, and there are plenty of document cases of 4-pinion diff failure. I certainly would not feel comfortable taking a 100 series on a trail without spending the coinage to upgrade the carrier knowing what I have experienced, seen on ih8mud, and my knowledge of the numbers of 100 series in the US.

I own both Toyota (4 years) and Rover (10 years) products concurrently. My personal experience with the vehicles I have owned is that Rover dependability is not nearly as poor as what Toyota owners tell me it should be, and (late) Toyota quality is not as good as Toyota owners make it out to be.

 

[lexwoody]

You guys might think Rovers are junk because you cant afford one lol..... and everything that comes with owner a LR. My Range gave me good times. It was strong and pass almost every test I put in front of it. Land Rover had been in bad hands in these pass years. Jeep isn't to far from its dark age too. LOL....... You cant compare LR to Jeep, apple and oranges. Land Rovers are known for the expedition, jorneys, and cross counties advetures.