Convince me

jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
The internet tells me that an '02 Toyota Avalon weighs about 3,400 pounds and Uhaul's site says that an empty tow dolly is 750#. Total about 4,150#.

I towed this for about 1 hr on 2-lane roads of rural North Central Ohio (like super flat, corn field country) and speeds limits of 55 with me keeping to that or less. It towed well and never felt unsafe. I found it best to keep the trans in 4th gear because if in 5th, any request for more throttle at all would be met with a downshift to 4th anyway.




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When I use the term "towing" I am referring to freeway speeds with adequate/safe braking and keeping up with traffic on mountain passes. For your stated use you were probably "fine", but anything more would be unsafe.
 

nnamssorxela

Adventurer
IMO from what you've described (minus aftermarket support), the gen 3 montero fits the bill. MASSIVE sunroof and tons of room for the kid and gear. There really is no comparison (that I've experienced) for independent suspension on rough roads and highway driving. Sure, solid axles can be build to handle tough off-road easier and cheaper, but from what you've described that is not your goal.

No doubt the Xterra is a nice vehicle with tons of support, but they've always felt small to me which is nice for challenging trails, but not so nice when it's your home base.

I looked at XJs and Discoverys for a while before I found the Montero and I was blown away. Ridiculous comfort, and decent MPGs if you keep the lighter smaller tires.

On an unrelated note, did you used to have a Yamaha supermoto in GA?
 
jrw wrote: “If you look very closely to the picture of the Montero you will see a black Gen2 Montero in the background of the picture. You can only see the square rear door and the spare tire. Based on this, I would much more want to see the Montero because the seller likely knows what he's talking about ND can share the history of the vehicle.”

Owner seems fairly knowledgeable and open, but has not owned the vehicle long. He bought it as a way to get around while he fixed up the black Gen2 (400k on the clock and still strong) you noted. He says the Gen3 is in great shape and does everything well but I can tell his heart is with the older truck…for what that's worth. And thanks for the link the other (very similar) XLS.

“this Montero would have been the competitor to the Nissan Armada and the Montero Sport would have been the competitor to the Xterra.”

Yes, I understand that it's sort of an “apples to oranges” comparison. These two are on my short list since they both get rave reviews from owners. And, frankly, I like their aesthetics.

Swank wrote: “Almost no advantage over a non-S/C one in reality.”

Appreciate the perspective. A lot of folks on the Xterra forums say the same, but those who own them tend to say the supercharger offers low end power that makes them more effective off-road. If I have a concern with the s/c it's that I see more knock sensors going out on them than the non-forced-induciton models. And it's a pricey fix on the X.

monty, you seem pretty sold on the Montero! Passionate, even. Thanks for weighing in. I will disagree with you about the Jeep WJ somewhat, tho. My 2003 Overland's Quadra Trac tranny has vari-lok axles front and rear, and the 4.7 H.O. is a beast with great raw power. I've spent time with it offroad and it always holds its own even in stock form—though, granted, my experience is primarily Florida mud and sand and not rocky Western terrain. My son's lifted XJ is the undisputed offroad asskicker in the family, but the WJ will surprise you in the rough stuff and it's a plush ride. That said, you made a convincing factual argument for superior Montero build quality…as have other posters who now have me considering one. Here's a pic of our rides, for shiggles:

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nnam, no, I never owned a supermoto though I've lusted after them. The last bike I had was a CR250R back in the day. Still rue the fact that I sold it though I'd probably kill myself on it now.

Thanks again, all. I'm moving toward a purchase but am finding that the chase is pretty fun in its own right.
 
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jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
The knock sensors on the s/c model Xterra go crazy when at slow trail speeds, the heat builds up and the sensors retard timing to prevent knock/detonation/ping to save the motor.
 

jrw1621

New member
So, you're in Fl. Given that then all the best to you and yours through Irma.
I know if I was planning to bug out like you might be, the Gen3 Montero would be my vehicle of choice.
 

nnamssorxela

Adventurer
nnam, no, I never owned a supermoto though I’ve lusted after them. The last bike I had was a CR250R back in the day. Still rue the fact that I sold it though I’d probably kill myself on it now.

I purchased a wr400 from a guy on another forum who went by the name of CrispyCracker, and I figured it was too much of a coincidence, but maybe it's just a common name for white guys who like to go outdoors a lot.
 

Swank Force One

Adventurer
Our 03 Montero w/ OME HD lift and 235/85/16 Duratracs has no problems towing a flat car hauler with a car on it. At freeway speeds, safely, and brakes just fine. I attribute a lot of that to the OME suspension. The squat i'm seeing in the example pic is making me cringe.

Would i prefer a diesel dually to tow with? Absolutely. Is it necessary to tow ~4500lbs? Definitely not.
 

cr4x4cruiser

Observer
Honestly, you only need to convince yourself... said the guy who is adamant in their opinion about the apparent sub-standard build quality of - recent - Nissan trucks.

Then again, buying vehicles over 10/15 years old means you absolutely love them, are willing to work on them, and/or are willing to accept parts not being readily at hand.

Good luck, amigo.

- Wm.
 

KyleT

Explorer
Kyle, the X has "half the build strength" of the Montero, in your opinion? Not doubting you since I don't know better, but out of curiosity: what facts support that statement?

Crawl under and look at the parts of a Montero (even the sport) and compare to a Nissan. The cv's on a gen2/2.5 compare in size to the holy grail Toyota fj80's. The cassis and suspension is way overbuilt and the interior is much better made IMO. Just feels higher quality. My only complaint about the gen 2/2.5 was the Torsen bar front suspension. Just not my favorite.



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Michael Brown

You followed me, so now we're both lost
If you have any questions about a Gen 3, I have owned both versions and worked on them over the last 11 years. Also good information is in the Australian forums for the Pajeros (same vehicle).
 

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