Cooper ST's - 255/85/16

Schattenjager

Expedition Leader
Follow up - The ST's are doing amazingly well in the -11 degree temps and fluffy snow. They did equally well in rain snow mix when a 'warm front' rocketed the temps to the high 20's Love em!

Snow tires hold small amounts of snow in the tread as snow on snow makes for the best traction vs. rubber on snow. Notice how well the tread pattern holds snow properly. I was pushing snow with the bumper in places too deep to get out and photograph!
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Bill Beers

Explorer
I have been reading around here on the 255/85/16 in various makes and talk about info overload:)
For those of you who are keeping in the know, I would like to get 5 of them for a 5000lb 1970 Suburban on a 16x6 wheel (maybe 16x7)...
prices for each of the BFG A/T, Copper, Maxxis Big Horn and ???

I had my local America's Tire quote me $225/ea for the Coopers on 11/21/11. BFG only makes that size in a MT, unfortunately. Don't know pricing on the Maxxis.
 

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
Yeah I am having a tough time finding a decent price on the Coopers here in Phx..tough time finding the Coopers at all :)
I am leaning towards the TreadWrights just due to how much cheaper they are...but would have to go with something OTHER than 255/85/16
Oh and my Discount Tire will price match an online quote I got of $185ea for the BFG MT 255/85/16...not bad at all...but still more than the $121 for the TreadWrights
 

JoshG

New member
I was just at a friend's farm and walked right up to his Dodge dually service truck. It had 255/85r16's! They were "Wild Country" brand...sort of an off-brand I guess. He said he just paid $300 for his 2 fronts mounted and balanced! The tread looked more like the Maxxis Bravo tire than the more MT look of many of the others in this size.

I plan on giving his dealer a call. All the other stores I've tried locally will sell me these Coopers in this size or KM2's; but for 5 mounted and balanced we are talking $1200+ I can get Maxxis Bighorns off ebay for $180 each, but then I have to pay someone another $100+ to mount and balance them...so these Wild Country's keep sounding better and better!
 
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Erik N

Adventurer
It had 255/85r16's! They were "Wild Country" brand...sort of an off-brand I guess. He said he just paid $300 for his 2 fronts mounted and balanced! The tread looked more like the Maxxis Bravo tire than the more MT look of many of the others in this size.

Wild Country are a Les Schwab brand made by Cooper in the US, too.


I may be mistaken, but I do not believe that the current Les Schwab "Wild Country" tires are available in a 255/85/16.

I used to have the OLD style "Wild Country" on my truck, in a 265/75/16. This more aggressive tread style is no longer available, and these were from ~2001

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Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
I may be mistaken, but I do not believe that the current Les Schwab "Wild Country" tires are available in a 255/85/16.

I used to have the OLD style "Wild Country" on my truck, in a 265/75/16. snip...

Correct. The Wild Country TXR II is not sold by Les Schwab, the previous version TXR was. The brand is a Multi-Mile, by TBC Corporation. I ran a few sets of the previous TXR in 255/85 starting in 1998, though about 2006. I liked the tread pattern/void ratio, but they had a reputation for steering wheel wobbles/vibes. They were fine on my F350, but not great on my 2005 Jeep.

I don't see the TXR II on the Multi-Mile site any longer http://www.tbcprivatebrands.com/

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JoshG

New member
I think Multi-mile is a Goodyear made product...Wild Country is a cheaper off-brand and it is obvioulsy marketed to farmers with dually pickups. However, it is the size I want, has a load rating of 3000 pounds and is within my price range. If I do end up purchasing the tires I will take pictures and post some experience with them.
 

austintaco

Explorer
Maybe I missed this in the thread, but has anyone done a real world size measurement among the companies making the 255/85/16? I measured my Coopers mounted when new, and they were just over 33", but it was less than what ExpeditionsWest measured on their BFG MT.

That Vulcan Trailcutter looks good, but the problem with ordering them here in TX would be getting any warranty work. With the Cooper 255 becoming extinct, the BFG MT seems to be the only option here.
 

aka rover

Adventurer
I just mounted a new set of 255/85/16s on 6.5 rover wheels, ill measure them and throw up a number.


Ed


EDIT opps BFG MT/km2s
 

austintaco

Explorer
I called around on the El Dorado Tire, and talked to the local wholesale distributor who then put me in touch with a local retailer. In the 255/85/16 size, they only had 3 in stock, and they didn't know when they would get more. The cost, from the retailer was $240 per tire, so that kind of kills the reason I would even look at them.
 

Jim K in PA

Adventurer
I installed a set of the Cooper ST tires in 255/85-16 in August of 2010 on my 2005 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited. I have waited to post a review of them until I had gotten most of the life out of them that I could. I am just about at that point and will share my thoughts as succinctly as I can. The tires were mounted on stock Moab wheels, and the Jeep is on its original suspension.

First impression was . . . not good. I had them mounted and balanced at the local tire shop where I bought them on a Friday. They rode fine, were reasonably quiet, and I was happy. The next day I went wheeling/rock crawling at our usual haunt (Rausch Creek ORP). After getting home I discovered a split in the sidewall. I was rather dismayed, and the following monday I called the local tire shop and told them what I found. I suspected a defective tire, as there was no rock rash or sign of impact near the split. I had 28 psi in the tires for the trip (I run 32 on the pavement). They asked me to bring it in to see what was up. They looked at it, and declared it just a superficial/cosmetic cut in the outer side wall casing, and I could drive on it as is without issue. 3 days later, the tire failed (deflated) completely, luckily overnight as it sat in my driveway. I put on the spare, took the 1 week old tire to the shop, and was told I was out of luck. Cooper would do nothing, and they would do nothing. Pissed off, but with 3 other nearly brand new tires on the truck, I bought another single tire and left the shop - never to return.

Since then I have taken the truck wheeling numerous times, without further incident. The tires have been wearing well, and now have about 35k miles on them. I typically get 38-42k/set of tires on my daily driven rig. Tread depth on the coopers is down to the last 20% or so, but they worked GREAT last week back at the Northeast property at RC. In fact, I ran outer limits with them (for those that know the trail-it is a blue/black and was part of the KOH RCQ race course), and I was truly impressed with their traction and performance in the rocks as well as some mucky stuff. I was starting to consider getting another set for my truck. Then a few days after the last trip to RC I noticed the RF tire was low. I reinflated it, and found another cut sidewall. The tire is likely done/unrepairable. So, I am no longer going to consider these tires for my next replacement cycle.

In a nutshell - these are good tires in terms of overall performance, with the SIGNIFICANT exception of the vulnerable sidewalls. Both cuts/failures were in an UNLOADED rig. If you stay off the rocks, and mostly run gravel and easy trails, you may never have an issue with the sidewalls. Wet traction is overall excellent, however now that the depth is lower I notice less grip (not hydroplane) on wet pavement. Not as bad as the OEM Goodyear MT/Rs, but not as good as my previous tires (Maxxis BigHorn). Snow performance was average. The Maxxis tires were better in the snow, IMO.

My next tire will be the Toyo Open Country in 255/85-16, which has an E/10 ply rating and armored sidewalls. They are a bit heavier than the Coopers, but much stronger.

That's my take on these tires.
 

Schattenjager

Expedition Leader
Cooper seems to be favorably shifting the direction of their customer service. Big O just helped me get a GREAT deal on four new STs. The deal came as a result of the large amount of tread depth on the older tires that developed a nasty problem. Details are here!

I think having a good tire shop stand with you during a problem is the key. Likely, your shop left you to the wolves and offered no help in communicating with Cooper. I made one phone call from the lobby of Big O, handed the phone to the store manager to finish the call, and had new tires the next morning for what I thought was an unbelievably generous deal from Cooper.

FYI the number for Cooper customer service is 1-800-847-3777
 

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