Cummins Diesel frontier concept at chicago auto show

[eurosonic]

I sure would like to see this thing in production, maybe add 4x4.


http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/06/nissan-frontier-diesel-runner-cummins-concept-chicago-2014/

 

[jpat30]

If you build it, they will come..........

Seriously, I would anyway. I had an 08 Frontier prior to my WJ. I loved that truck. A Diesel option; I would be down at my local dealership in a minute. Here's hoping that they follow through and that this becomes more than a "concept".

 

[Haf-E]

Doesn't seem likely to end up being a small 4 cylinder diesel - see this quote from the link:

"If it gets built, the Frontier with a Cummins diesel is still several years away. Nissan says that the engine and transmission combo will not fit in the current pickup without modification, and frankly, the current model is getting on in years. The company's current focus is launching the next-generation, full-size Titan pickup in 2015 with a 5.0-liter Cummins diesel V8 as an option. Scroll down to get all of the details in the press release."

 

[JJBiggs]

Want. Build it and I will buy it. Period.

C.

 

[richard310]

They might just want the Titan to start competing with the full size American diesels. Go big or go home.

 

[stolenheron]

do want.

titan won't be competing until it gets off of its small (frontier) frame....

 

[Mo4130]

It just blows my mind that American truck makers don't cash in on the small Diesel engine market.

 

[wreckdiver1321]

I'll be one of the first in line for this, when it comes. I will buy it if it gets built, no questions. That is, of course, if the next gen Frontier doesn't look like a minivan.

It shocks me that it has taken this long to get small diesel engines over here. Dodge and Chevy are leading the way with the half ton Ram and the Colorado, but almost every other country in the world has had that kind of technology or years. It's just better, especially especially for our purposes. And I don't see much of a downside as far as the everyday driver goes. Better economy and longevity, more torque in a smaller package, etc. It's silly that this country hasn't made that leap. I never understood why.

 

[mortonm]

I'll be one of the first in line for this, when it comes. I will buy it if it gets built, no questions. That is, of course, if the next gen Frontier doesn't look like a minivan.

It shocks me that it has taken this long to get small diesel engines over here. Dodge and Chevy are leading the way with the half ton Ram and the Colorado, but almost every other country in the world has had that kind of technology or years. It's just better, especially especially for our purposes. And I don't see much of a downside as far as the everyday driver goes. Better economy and longevity, more torque in a smaller package, etc. It's silly that this country hasn't made that leap. I never understood why.

A lot of it has to do with a crappy bunch of Diesel engines in the 70s and 80s. Another draw back now is a really high up front cost compared to gas offerings, most people will never get their money back on the gas savings

 

[wreckdiver1321]

Another draw back now is a really high up front cost compared to gas offerings, most people will never get their money back on the gas savings

This is another thing that perplexes me. In the rest of the world, the diesel car is usually the base, least expensive model. I would venture to guess that it has to do with small diesels being "newfangled technology" in North America.

Diesel is also cheaper than gasoline everywhere else. No idea why it needs to be so expensive here. It's cheaper to refine.

 

[Teflon]

This is another thing that perplexes me. In the rest of the world, the diesel car is usually the base, least expensive model. I would venture to guess that it has to do with small diesels being "newfangled technology" in North America.

Diesel is also cheaper than gasoline everywhere else. No idea why it needs to be so expensive here. It's cheaper to refine.

I have heard several times that the Europeans are finding it harder to meet the US emissions standards than they did meeting Euro standards. There may be some element of BS here just because they are hedging their bets regarding the volume of engines they expect to sell in the USA but the moral of the story is that the Euro diesels are supposedly costing the manufacturers more in the USA than in Europe.

Mexico deregulated their gasoline and diesel prices last year and I just saw that diesel is about the same price in Mexico as it is in the USA. That irritated me since I live near the border and planned to take advantage of Mexican diesel which was about $1/gallon cheaper than US diesel.




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[zelatore]

It's all about taxes. In many parts of Europe I believe there are cheaper taxes on the diesel powered cars as well as on the fuel itself. The governments want to see more diesels on the road so this is how the make it happen.
Here in the US, we face two problems. First, diesel still has a stigma hanging around from the bad old days of the 70s and 80s. Olds 88 diesel anyone? Didn't think so. Secondly, our tax structure is geared to push hybrids and electrics. Look at the huge subsidies available for a Leaf or Volt. If you applied that ($7500 I think?) toward a diesel it would suddenly look a whole lot more appealing. The same with the fuel - we could easily change the tax on a gallon of diesel if we wanted more people to drive them but the greens would rather we power our cars with coal instead (being that most of our electricity comes from coal).
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I think #1 would be remedied if more people were bindfolded and put in a modern diesel. Let's face it, the average American driver wants a big fat heavy SUV and doesn't like to wind the motor more than about 7 RPM. Sounds like a perfect job for a diesel to me. As for #2, good luck - I don't know how you get around that issue.

 

[haven]

"Diesel is also cheaper than gasoline everywhere else. No idea why it needs to be so expensive here. It's cheaper to refine."

Figuring out why diesel is more expensive today is sure to cause a headache. Removing the sulfur from diesel has raised the cost to refine. Diesel producers recognize that there's about 11% more energy in a gallon of diesel than a gallon of gas (diesel is denser), so they raised the price to match. Tax policy also affects price. The US federal government charges more tax per gallon for diesel than for gasoline (24.4 cents/gallon vs 18.4 cents/gallon). States add the majority of taxes, which can vary by fuel type.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

You can thank your do-nothing gov't for that.

This is another thing that perplexes me. In the rest of the world, the diesel car is usually the base, least expensive model. I would venture to guess that it has to do with small diesels being "newfangled technology" in North America.

Diesel is also cheaper than gasoline everywhere else. No idea why it needs to be so expensive here. It's cheaper to refine.

 

[colodak]

Recent discussion on the radio here in Denver, most diesel is not refined in the US, except in a few locations because of taxes and environmental concerns. Much of it is done in Spain, the crude is shipped there, refined, then shipped back. This came from someone with 30 + yrs in the oil business. Flying J has a facility in SLC for refining diesel that they use at their travel centers in the West.

I've been seeing a lot of road testing in the Denver area and on I-70 in the mountains of diesel equipped Titans with Cummins Engineering on the doors. According to a Cummins rep. for the Class 8 engines that was at our shop, they will be available late 2014 as 2015 models or sometime in 2015 as either 2015's or 2016's. Subject to change, Nissan rep. at the Outdoorsman Expo. said similar when I asked him. I have not seen road testing of diesel equipped Frontiers yet. Where I live in N.E. Denver, I see a lot of road test mules being run up I-76, Ford, Roush (Chrysler, Ford, GM, Dodge), Fiat, Mini, Jeep, MB, Cummins/Roush, Audi (they have a massive facility in Golden, surrounded by 14' concrete walls and two 14' tall gates) all do road testing. The heavily disguised stuff is only road test between 11 pm and 3 am so it's not seen by too many prying eyes. The nice thing about the hours I work (4am to 4 pm), I get to see a lot of this stuff on the road. Many of the current models I've seen in light to heavy camo up to 4 yrs before release.


Also, Cummins, Detroit diesel use a cold storage facility outside Laramie, Wyo. where they do year round extreme cold temp testing. They can bring the temps down to -50 any time of year.