Did Nissan Kill the SFA for Toyota???

[ShottsCruisers]

Toyota builds the Land Cruiser Wagon for the Middle East, not the US.

Here's your Land Cruiser Wagon Sales for 2006

US 3,605 (Not including Lexus)
Oceania 9,660
Europe 13,405
Middle East 38,831

Total LC Wagon sales were 82,684

Yes, and they don't need SFA 100 and 200 any longer (overall) or they sure as heck would make them.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Good figures:



Of which I'm very curious, I wonder for each of those theaters if you compared purchase price vs. annual salary (or equiv.) of the buyer markets and normalized against competition. What I reckon is that all things being equal, an LC would be comparatively cheaper in each of those theaters than the US.

Another point, if the US offered a poverty-pack version sold by Toyota and kept the LuXury upfit sales to Lexus, would we see higher sales volumes? Your thoughts?

And the UZJ version is evidently heavy-duty enough for law enforcement and military use then we know it's stout. Stout enough to retire the SFA.

 

[Life_in_4Lo]

Not sure the point of this?

Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc....utilize a SRA due to weight and high HP and Torque output. In the handling department they suck. My IRS Rx8 and sons IRS S2000 totally kill them in that dept. ??? Just like trucks...no one design is always best.

Camaro and Challenger have IRS.
Weight and hp/tq have nothing to do with suspension design.

The Mustang's SRA is a holdover because it's cheaper.

 

[Brian894x4]

Nice writeup until this. I've never said such a thing. (That "SFAs don't have any advantages over IFS")

Sorry, I appologize for putting words in your mouth. That was my impression based on other threads.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Weight and hp/tq have nothing to do with suspension design.

No? So a solid rear axle (and or front) have nothing do with added durability and load carrying capacity (weaight, etc)? That's one advantage of the SRA and SFA on the 80 series. Toyota said that's why IRS wasn't OK on the URJ200...durability and capacity demands.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Sorry, I appologize for putting words in your mouth. That was my impression based on other threads.

You'll like my last post! ^^^^^

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Camaro and Challenger have IRS.

Didn't the 2010 Mustang also go IRS?

 

[Klierslc]

Nope. Still a live axle(why would they change it when they smoked the camaro and challenger in the C&D tests?)

 

[Klierslc]

And the UZJ version is evidently heavy-duty enough for law enforcement and military use then we know it's stout. Stout enough to retire the SFA.

Please....

We have already established that the UZJ did not retire the SFA. The 105 had it till 06 or so and the 70 series still does.

As far as stout, the military has used some very un-stout vehicles over the years.

Gamma goat, IFAV (G-wagen built by chrysler=POS), 6.2 diesel hummer......

 

[Life_in_4Lo]

No? So a solid rear axle (and or front) have nothing do with added durability and load carrying capacity (weaight, etc)?

Not on the topic of the Mustang and Camaro. I corrected your wrong assumption.

2 of the 3 cars don't have a SRA.
The one car that does, has SRA for no reason you mention.

Mustang, Challenger, Camaro, etc....utilize a SRA due to weight and high HP and Torque output.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Nope. Still a live axle(why would they change it when they smoked the camaro and challenger in the C&D tests?)

I read various reports on it. Don't know the outcome.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Please....

We have already established that the UZJ did not retire the SFA.

Correct. Lack of demand did.

 

[ShottsCruisers]

Not on the topic of the Mustang and Camaro. I corrected your wrong assumption.

2 of the 3 cars don't have a SRA.
The one car that does, has SRA for no reason you mention.

Thanks! I know little about America muscle cars except that I can't stand them.

I'm a Rx8, STi, S2000 dude (Evo's are fast but uncomfortable and cheap POC's inside).

 

[Life_in_4Lo]

klierslc,

The Mustang has a better power to weight ratio. That's the reason it is running w/ the Camaro & Challenger.
It's lighter and that pays dividends in handling too.

Wait till the 5.0L comes out. The Mustang will be on top. GM will have to come out w/ a Z/28 to compete. It will be interesting to see how much weight the 5.0 adds and how it affects handling.

I think the Camaro and Challenger look a lot better but the 5.0 would be tempting.

 

[lt1fire]

Thanks! I know little about America muscle cars except that I can't stand them.

I'm a Rx8, STi, S2000 dude (Evo's are fast but uncomfortable and cheap POC's inside).

I'm sorry but maybe one day you'll be ready to stop playing with little toys and step up to the the big boys. :smiley_drive: