Diesel for overlanding- are you happy with the choice?

kahos

Member
Cold weather is a planning factor for diesel ownership, but I don't see any point in trying to use that as a scare tactic to ward off potential owners....plenty of people have been using diesels in northern climates for years without any problems.
Using it vs enjoying it in the winter are quite different. It really depends on how bad your winters get. I had an ecodiesel in a climate similar to NY state and it was fine. I moved West to a colder part of Canada and with my new shorter commute I don't regret ditching my 2.8l duramax.

Block heater or not, when the temperature frequently dips to -30c overnight there isn't much enjoyment to a cold start. Even with remote start and the auxiliary electric heater I'd get to work and my feet would still be cold. Sure, some consider the diesel chatter to be part of "the appeal" but this was a little too much.

My 2.7 ecoboost warms up really quickly and isn't as coarse and loud in the winter. The refinement along with the higher performance are worth the MPG trade off to me in a 1/2 ton. I don't miss the "random" regens or CELs either.

Gas offers better winter performance and peace of mind. It doesn't have that intoxicating power delivery however. Tough decision.
 
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IdaSHO

IDACAMPER
Very true. In addition to the fuel itself, a diesel, simply due to the mass of the block, coolant and oil volume, etc takes considerably longer to warm up than a similar gasoline engine.
Not only does that make daily driving not-so-fun, it also adds to the cold weather MPG hit.
 

workerdrone

Part time fulltimer
I had a 2000 Jetta TDI that would go from fully warm to cold (no heat out the vents) while idling in a frosty winter traffic jam. The price of 50+ mpg efficiency back then - got 45 or so daily driving but over 50 on trips.
 

Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
Aside from one or two winter vacation trips, and some holiday travel, my truck only gets Pizza in the winter. And I'm in the snow belt, I laugh at Canadian snow. A diesel isn't optimal for me. But there's still plenty of them in Mid-Ohio.
 

Regcabguy

Oil eater.
Diesel owners will always argue their reasoning why and how it works for them And thats totally fine.

But running by the numbers, diesels are a VERY hard sell anymore. And for most, its not the investment that it used to be.

As mentioned by at least one person above, really the only thing you will miss going gasser if you have ever had a modern diesel is the power.
Beyond that, nothing missed.
The pre-emission Cummins sell like hotcakes in California.
The newer ones,I don't know.
 

Regcabguy

Oil eater.
The fueling challenges are real for sure. That said, we've traveled through 44 states and 3 provinces so far and always managed to find diesel. I carry a spare 10 gallons in Jerry cans when we dive into more remote areas but have never had to tap into those reserves.

It is true that people do love to clog up the 1-2 diesel pumps getting gas.
They leave their trucks at the pump AFTER fueling and go get a snack and a drink.:mad: Love it.
 

Todd780

OverCamper
Diesel trucks are used throughout the world, including in places where the temperatures get well below freezing. Last time I was driving up the Datlon, I saw diesel's all over the place towing and hauling equipment. The operators and the OEM's have figured out a way for them to work up there...and quite honestly, at a certain temperature just about any vehicle (gasoline or diesel) is going to have trouble starting up without a heater cord.

If you've had bad experiences with them, oh well...a lot of other people have done just fine with them. The newer diesels fare a lot better in the cold than do the older ones...so maybe you have a skewed view on the topic.
Perhaps..

Commercial
Operators don’t turn them off.. most overlander are hobbyists.. a glorified RV...
Beat me to it. Lots of diesels used in the oil patch up here. They are just left running in the cold. When buying a used diesel up here, you almost have to pay more attention to the hour meter that the odometer...
 

Navion65t

New member
Yeah, I don’t think many can justify a diesel by the numbers anymore except people who tow heavy constantly. Sure like mine though. I don’t tow very heavy, but I do tow pretty frequently, and that exhaust brake is pretty fantastic.

Since I live in the south, the cold weather doesn’t come into play much. If I happened to live somewhere that it was often below zero I can see that coming into play though.


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Dalko43

Explorer
Using it vs enjoying it in the winter are quite different. It really depends on how bad your winters get. I had an ecodiesel in a climate similar to NY state and it was fine. I moved West to a colder part of Canada and with my new shorter commute I don't regret ditching my 2.8l duramax.

Block heater or not, when the temperature frequently dips to -30c overnight there isn't much enjoyment to a cold start. Even with remote start and the auxiliary electric heater I'd get to work and my feet would still be cold. Sure, some consider the diesel chatter to be part of "the appeal" but this was a little too much.

My 2.7 ecoboost warms up really quickly and isn't as coarse and loud in the winter. The refinement along with the higher performance are worth the MPG trade off to me in a 1/2 ton. I don't miss the "random" regens or CELs either.

Gas offers better winter performance and peace of mind. It doesn't have that intoxicating power delivery however. Tough decision.

The weather in upstate is vastly different from the weather in downstate. Waking up to -20F to -30F temperatures in the morning is fairly common in the winter months.

I've driven both diesel and gasoline in that kind of environment...neither engine really enjoyed the start up and first 10-15 minutes of driving, but they both worked just fine. The cabin in both vehicles took a while to heat up, but that's more indicative of the OEM's A/C design than it is the engine type. Some of the 3/4 ton diesels offer rapid cab heatup packages.

For sure cold weather requires some planning, on the OEM's part and the operator's part. But cold weather takes its toll on gasoline engines just as much as it does on diesels. Try starting up your gasoline truck (block heater unplugged) for weeks on end at -20F...see how long that vehicle lasts enduring that kind of abuse.

Those block heater cords you see up at Prudhoe Bay are for all the rigs up there (diesel and gasoline). It's not as if the gasoline trucks are exponentially better at starting up and operating in cold weather.
 

dreadlocks

Well-known member
Diesels higher compression definitely requires a battery to deliver alot more amps to the starter.. which combined with cold, thick oil and a reduced capacity battery does make it a bit harder to get going sometimes.. cycling glow plugs a few times just drains battery even more..

However I've gotten my diesels going at -30f with out much effort.. worst case a jumper box is all that's needed.
 
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ChasingOurTrunks

Well-known member
If only we could have some of the euro or aussie rigs over here...

In fact, we do -- the North American 2015+ Colorado/Canyon platform is based on a Holden design from 2012. Available with a tiny turbo diesel as well.

As another poster mentioned, the 2.8 Cummins is very similar to the Hilux, and most of our domestic small to mid-sized rigs can be re-engined with a Cummins kit.

Apart from the HiLux or a Land Cruiser Troopy, there aren't any Euro or Aussie rigs that are miles better than a JK, a Colorado, a 4-Runner, or a domestic Full Size. And I'd argue the rationale behind a 70-series Cruiser or Hilux is rapidly becoming irrelevant -- they are incredibly reliable, but one of the main selling points of these popular platforms is that everyone else used one. That means lots of spares and a network of support, as well as mechanics who are familiar with the platform. Modern technology and engineering has made reliability of every car much, much better, thus reducing the reliance on abundant spares and local knowledge (Not eliminating that factor -- just reducing it).


That has not been my experience. I find gas motors start up much better in cold climates.

+1, that has been our experience as well.

Additionally, regardless of diesel or gas, more cranking amps in the battery is what is really important in cold weather starts, as is a block heater if you have shore power.

OP, one thing I didn't see people mentioning is that annual repair costs aren't the only maintenance question with Diesels. There are bigger bites, like turbos and injectors on diesels which are substantially more expensive to repair than on gas, depending on the motor. This gets worse when you consider the risk of collateral damage with a blown turbo or detonation due to injector failure. These bigger failures are obviously a concern with all motors regardless of fuel type, but in diesels the cost to repair is usually a lot higher.

If my gasser has a major failure like a turbo that detonates, I can put in a brand new gas motor for about $1800 in parts. Just an injector service could be 2 to 3 times that much on a domestic pickup diesel. I wouldn't suggest that this is a deal breaker as I love diesels, but it is a consideration.

Your high mileage daily commute actually means a diesel makes sense as they are great high mileage engines usually. I don't think the above should deter you, but it is something to have in mind for the "emergency truck repair" budget -- I'd suggest you put it $2-$3k higher than you would with a gasser to roll with the punches that your mechanic might throw at you.
 

Adventurous

Explorer
The diesel heaters work wonders for keeping the cab nice and toasty, all while sipping fuel. Buddy of mine has his set up to draw from the vehicle fuel tank, and even at -20*F outside his van is comfortable inside. As an added bonus, he doesn't have to clear the snow off of his vehicle either.
 

tacollie

Glamper
You can get heaters that run off gas. Diesel is obviously more efficient but we put one in a buddies 6.2l Econoline set to a thermostat. He nevermind had to clear good windows. Modern diesels start a lot better in the cold but has is still better. Carry a torch and you can start any diesel ?. It's one of the 10 essential overland gears of a 7.3 in cold climates!
 

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