vintageracer
To Infinity and Beyond!
I recently read somewhere the CEO of Toyota I believe predicted that EV's will never be more 30% max of the total vehicle market.
EV acceptance is peaking
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NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
The early praise of EV's is starting to tarnish.
www.consumerreports.org
Electric Vehicles Are Less Reliable Than Conventional Cars - Consumer Reports
Consumer Reports shares insights about electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) from its latest reliability survey, including the most reliable electric car.
rruff
Explorer
That isn't how I read it. As plainly stated in the article, new tech and new car companies are going to have more QC issues. Low cost to own and operate, and outstanding performance (for most) were the praiseworthy attributes, and that hasn't changed.
And.... "Tesla, which has been building EVs for more than a decade, falls near the middle of the pack in terms of brand reliability. Its Model Y, first introduced for model year 2020, is recommended by CR for the first time this year, with owners reporting fewer issues with its suspension, in-car electronics and general build quality than in previous years. The Model Y joins the Model 3 in earning CR Recommended status.
“Tesla’s Model 3 and Model Y are now the sweet spot in the automotive industry when it comes to building electric cars,” Fisher says. “While Tesla is still a relatively new car company, it has more experience producing EVs than any other automaker.”
For some reason the plug-in hybrids are a lot worse than full electrics, but regular hybrids are even more reliable than gas cars.
NevadaLover
Forking Icehole
Here's a quote from the report, hasn't been the story up to now.
"The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars. Based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles, the survey covers 20 potential problem areas, including engine, transmission, electric motors, leaks, and infotainment systems."
"The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars. Based on owner responses on more than 330,000 vehicles, the survey covers 20 potential problem areas, including engine, transmission, electric motors, leaks, and infotainment systems."
rruff
Explorer
I don't recall "problems" with completely new car designs being part of the narrative at all. Heck, when an ICE with decades of history gets a few design tweaks, everyone expects more issues. EVs are on a whole different level.
Manufacturers have been twiddling their thumbs (or twiddling something...) until Tesla matured the design and infrastructure to the point where they couldn't ignore it. Then hype forced them to rush to market with whatever they could cobble together.
They are a poor choice because range has only recently become viable for cars. Trucks that are pulling trailers have <100mi range, which few owners would deem acceptable. That may be the case for a long time, unless there are some miracles coming for EV battery tech.
Where EVs would absolutely rule is short range tiny commuter cars. There aren't big profit potentials, which means all the players used to milking the same cows for as much as they possibly can will be dead set against it.
JaSAn
Grumpy Old Man
Could you link to any reports/studies that show that?
There is so much cow poop being thrown around on the subject of EV's that it is hard to draw conclusions.
In reality there just aren't enough EV's on the road to make any meaningful conclusions. EV's make up about 1% of the registered vehicles in the US (2.7M out of 288.5M). That's not enough for a good statistical sample.
AbleGuy
Officious Intermeddler
The article tagged above by NvLvr seems to show support for his statement about PHEVs and HEVs. Here’s the chart from it:
calicamper
Expedition Leader
That was definitely an issue with charger access in a region where most EV users didn’t have access to charging outside of a few public chargers. Ie old buildings, apartments etc. Cold weather paired with crap charging infrastructure. If you only had 1 gas station pump available for every 5000 cars the ICE cars would have been in the news also.
calicamper
Expedition Leader
Ford is loosing money on any product over 40k right now. COVID buyer hangover has hit all big ticket items.
Dougnuts
Well-known member
Ford was late to the game compared to who? They were the second truck to the market and the Mach-E has been out for just over 3 years now.
JaSAn
Grumpy Old Man
This has been one of my arguments against the push to switch to EV's: our leaders are telling us to buy an expensive cart when there aren't enough horses to go around.
Todd780
OverCamper
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
I wonder if this is a direct reflection on which car companies build these. Toyota has really went after hybrid.
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
They aren’t losing money on full size gas powered trucks- they are keeping the company afloat.