Expedition Portal Project: 2008 Range Rover Sport

Chris Cordes

Expedition Leader
I think the first thing you have to recognize is that in many ways they're different vehicles. If you're buying a new grand cherokee they're a lot closer, but still different. I would compare them as such. (Also Im assuming you're talking a new GC to an older RRS)

Comfort - The GC is never going to be a RR. The fact is theres a 30k price gap there when new and that 30k buys a lot of luxury. People buy RRs because they are beautiful, luxurious cars great at daily driving and exploring the back country. If they only wanted capability they would buy a Jeep Wrangler. It WILL out perform any stock RR in technical terrain despite what diehard rover fans will tell you. That being said Jeep had made great strides trying to bring the GC up onto a RR comfort level without the price tag. The fit and finish of the interior is fantastic and not even comparable to previous models. That being said when driving the car it still felt light and almost plastic in some ways. Im not sure if thats just a sign I've been driving an overweight beast too long but it bothers me.

Capability - The capability of these cars is going to vary depending on the model. A RRS with HD package (rear locker) will likely outperform the GC. The traction control system is amazingly advanced and can pull a locked rover over just about anything. That being said a new GC is downright impressive off-road. Their TC system is equally impressive and enables the Jeep to handle just about ANYTHING you come across. Its no Rubicon, but for a stock SUV its darn hard to beat. You will have no issue going anywhere I've posted in this thread with a new GC.

Reliability - this is tricky. The RRS is the "most reliable RR" according to many and I've personally had very few issues. That being said its a RR so maintenance is expensive when it does happen. An aftermarket warranty is a must in my opinion. Based on past models I would like to say the GC is very reliable, however I've heard of a few issues and this model is essentially an entirely new car that hasn't been proven. The fact that Jeep won't warranty the diesel engine like other models was a big red flag to me.

Either way, you can't go wrong. Both are great vehicles and will take you on even better adventures. Its going to really all come down to personal preference and love. Im a little less rational than most when it comes to purchasing a vehicle. I believe that exploring, off-roading, or whatever you want to call it is a thing of passion that we do to liberate ourselves from the daily grind of life. Shouldn't the vehicle you use for that be one you're passionate about as well? Thats why no matter what happens I also choose the vehicle I love, over the vehicle that practical. It just so happened that with the sport those were one in the same for me.
 

Eniam17

Adventurer
One thing you are forgetting is the suspension. The Jeep air suspension is not cross linked (at least it wasn't when I had a 2011 GC) and the suspension has far less travel than either of my 08 LR3 or 08 Sport. Not bashing Jeep, just stating a fact - traction control is great but it doesn't help if wheels can't touch the ground. I had no idea how much more travel the Rover suspensions had until I compared the new model GC's against the LR3/RRS.
 

Chris Cordes

Expedition Leader
That's a good point you're right. The rr can flex like crazy. The grand cherokee from my experience didn't flex overly well and the suspension was rather short bottoming out or riding rough fairly quickly
 

swrider

Observer
Thanks for the reply Chris. I totally understand that there is a huge gap when it comes to the level of luxury in the RR. Like you said, a $30K gap in price is pretty big and I wasn't too concerned about that. As far as suspension travel, I believe the '14 GC has about 11" of clearance with the air suspension fully extended and so far as I've seen, there is no real way of fitting a lift kit to increase this. But as you've said, the GC can do what you've done in your RRS and that is pretty much the extent of my off-roading travel plans. I've read this thread from start to finish and you make it very hard to consider a different option; I still might jump in and to hell with costs of maintenance and what not, especially if there is an option for an extended warranty and the price for an '08 RRS sitting about $32k here in Las Vegas.
 

swrider

Observer
One more question, maybe i missed it, but what kind of clearence do you have on your RRS after you completed your mods and the tires that are finally on it???
Thanks.
 

epiccosmo

Adventurer
One thing you are forgetting is the suspension. The Jeep air suspension is not cross linked (at least it wasn't when I had a 2011 GC) and the suspension has far less travel than either of my 08 LR3 or 08 Sport. Not bashing Jeep, just stating a fact - traction control is great but it doesn't help if wheels can't touch the ground. I had no idea how much more travel the Rover suspensions had until I compared the new model GC's against the LR3/RRS.

That's a good point you're right. The rr can flex like crazy. The grand cherokee from my experience didn't flex overly well and the suspension was rather short bottoming out or riding rough fairly quickly

This would be my experience so far as the difference between the GC and LR suspensions. The GC so far when I have put it in OR2 height has been very firm. Not somewhat soft like the LR4/RRS. This too I believe is because the system is closed and uses nitrogen. At least the other day I read something about it being a closed system where I believe the LR system is open and uses just air from outside the vehicle. This is suppose to make it faster than the LR version. While it feels really hard I have yet to try it in a different setting but in looking at some of the press photos online it looks like it will flex alright, I probably need to put it in Rock mode, find a rock and see.

Plus when looking the other night Jeep has a separate shock from the airbag in the rear of the vehicle. Front suspension looks to be similar. What I would like to understand is if its possible to put a spacer there somewhere under the airbag and get a little extra height. I think this is different than the LR method where it is built together or no separate shock. I also think that since it is a closed system vs open system that is why there is no ability to have "extra" lift like on the rovers which is why I think there will have to be a spacer milled and put in there with some adjustable sensors.

Either Chris can comment of the rear suspension design or if people are interested, since I still have my LR4 while it is being bought back, I can take pictures tonight after work and post them up to show the differences between the designs. Or, I found a good picture online of how the Jeep system works, I just need to find a comparable picture for the LR4/RRS to better show the difference.
 
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Chris Cordes

Expedition Leader
Haha Ill try to get some pictures this afternoon. Ive been busy with a few projects at the office and haven't had as many chances to jump online. So pictures you guys need are the clearance on the RRS post lift, pictures of the rear suspension on the RRS and pictures of the rear suspension on the LR4?
 

epiccosmo

Adventurer
Haha Ill try to get some pictures this afternoon. Ive been busy with a few projects at the office and haven't had as many chances to jump online. So pictures you guys need are the clearance on the RRS post lift, pictures of the rear suspension on the RRS and pictures of the rear suspension on the LR4?

Chris I can also get pictures of the LR4 if necessary. I just looked under mine and there is definitely a difference between the rear suspension of the LR4 and the GC. The front suspension is very similar although the air shocks look to be pretty different in size and shape. The rear set-up of the LR4 has a very similar shock as to what is on the front, possibly just shorter. The GC has what looks like is simply a bag that expands and contracts with the air that is closer to the center of the vehicle and a separate shock closer to the wheel hub.

I will take some pictures tomorrow or over the weekend for our comparison discussion.
 

Chris Cordes

Expedition Leader
You never know. Saw a guy with a 450,000 mile Mini Cooper with original engine and trans the other day. I guess anything Is possible haha. Also these are aupposed to be the most reliable rovers so who knows we will see!
 

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