expedition vehicles

toyrunner95

Explorer
ok i know i have posted this type of thread before but i really cant make up my mind. so here it goes again.

heres what i want, i need you guys to tell me what vehicle you have, year, make, model. pros, cons, one thing you would change. and a pic of possible.

like this

84 toyota pickup,
good truck decent milage, easy to fix, fun to drive.

transer case crapped out, motors on the way out. not fuel injected.




its that simple. longer explainations and possible fixes would be nice too for the cons.
 

Nullifier

Expedition Leader
'96 Tacoma reg cab.
2.7 manual trans manual hubs.

I have done alot to this truck but if I was starting from sctach I would would go for an extra cab with the 2.7. Very reliable and not to many rigs can run 33" tires with 4.88 gears and get 20 mpg loaded on the highway. Economy is great for long trips and honestly I have found the 2.7 to be all the engine I need.

The complaints about my truck is the cab size. I really like the short wheelbase but the cab space is not good. For long trips the pass seat area is cramped and I'm only 5'10" Also a small fuel tank but that can be rectified easily. Seats suck so look to upgrade those as well. Tacoma only parts that I would probably consider switching out for more Generic easily avaiable parts like the Drive shafts. I would have them made up to use 1350 joints not the proprietary toyota cardan system. Also I would relocate the fuel filter it is a real PITA to get to.

Thinking back on all my mods I do not think I would make any significant changes to the mods on my rig. I would redo the electrical stuff different as far as layout but that is all.

Pros are great part availability in both stock replacement parts new and junkyard, as well as modifications. Plenty of companies supporting the older 1996-2004 Tacoma. Reliability is great.
 
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Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
My current vehicle: 04 Toyota Tacoma, 3.4l V6, X-cab, 5 speed, SR5 but non-TRD.

Pros:

* Powerful enough to get around pretty easily, even fully loaded (I'm not a speed demon so the 190hp V-6 is fine with me.)
* Runs on regular gas
* Decent mpg for this size of rig (17-20 city, 20-23 highway.)
* SR5 package gave me cruise control, 265/70R16 tires, and AC
* Perfect vehicle size for 2 people or 2 people + medium sized dog (she loves the part of the cab behind the seats.)
* Typical Toyota reliability and good resale value
* Parts and accessories widely available (unlike some of my other vehicles)
* Looks good, even though it's boring old white in color.
* Manual tranny, manual door locks, manual windows and (best of all) manual t-case lever = a lot less stuff to break or get messed up.
* Decent (though not spectacular) stereo includes both CD and cassette player so I can still play my old cassetes, or can play MP3's through one of those cassette adapters.
* Mostly good ergonomics with adjustable steering wheel
* Cigarette lighter + 2 aux 12v power points right in the dash is nice. Ashtray is a nice place to keep parking meter/tollbooth/car wash change (I'm not a smoker and neither was the previous owner, luckily.)
* Does great off road - even with stock suspension and tires!

Cons:

* Sometimes wish I'd held out for a TRD to get better shocks and locking diff
* Overall quality is a bit cheap: Particularly interior body panels (console and glove box rattle a bit and seem to be not very well made)
* Stupid "split bench" seat in front makes it hard to fit aftermarket (i.e. cheap) seat covers. Nobody in their right mind would put 3 people in the front seat but Toyota still has seatbelts there (the plus here is that, being a Tacoma, it should be very easy to get replacement seats.)
* Noisy at highway speeds (of course, it is a truck....)
* A few ergonomic stupidities, like the clock which is hidden from the drivers' view by the steering wheel.
* Back "seat" is a joke. Really, nobody over the age of 6 should sit there. Would have been much better with side-facing jump seats like my '99 Ranger had.
* Stock interior lighting is pretty poor - just one dome light behind the drivers' head. Needs map lights or something (from what I've seen, the SR5 package is supposed to include map lights, but mine doesn't.)
* Not many places to put in accessories like CB/HAM, aux light switches, etc (again, if it had bucket seats and a real console, there would be space but with the stupid 2/3 - 1/3 split bench, there's nothing like that.)
* Bed is a little "shallow" which decreases interior room with the shell.

That's about all I can think of. Really, most of the "cons" are pretty minor and stuff that's pretty easy to live with, so honestly I don't have much to complain about.
 

TeriAnn

Explorer
Vehicle: 1960 Land Rover Dormobile

Basic stats for my Land Rover:
Ford 302 engine, Borg Warner T-18 gearbox, Land Rover transfercase with high ratio high range gears installed. Front axle has hardened 24 spline axles, TruTrac diff and uprated R&P. Disc brakes on the front. Rear axle is a Salisbury (Dana 60 made under license by Land Rover). Inside are hardened 24 spline axles & an ARB air locker. Rear brakes are stock drums. R&P ratio is 4.75:1, low range first is 70:1, 65 MPH is 2650 RPM.

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She has 3 fuel tank with a capacity of 42 gallons, a built in 5 gallon propane tank, 15 gallon water tank and 2.5 gallon air tank (with Quickair2 compressor).

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This is the rear interior fully loaded for a long trip and the pop up top lowered.

Left side rear to front: Cooker unit with two burners, broiler and sink. Second sink cabinet with top hinged door to also serves as a work table. Storage cabinet with porta pottie stowed at base. Above there are a small cabinet and a fold out bed.

Right side rear to front: Back corner is a Quickair 2 compressor, fold down jump seat, (second battery below jump seat) Norcold chest refrigerator sitting on a cabinet (storage for 7 qts oil, power steering fluid, oil & fuel filters below refrigerator), storage cabinet with flip up seat. A second top bunk can be installed along this side. Above the back door is a tea cabinet.

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I can go from driving on the trail to camp completely set up in under 2 minutes in any weather. I can go from driving to camp set up, fresh salad made, glass of wine poured and dinner cooking in under 5 minutes.

Series & Defender Land Rovers in general:


The Good:

The big plus is that they are the ultimate off road vehicle erector set. The body panels are bolted and riveted together. The interior is a rectangular box, there are several under body places at frame level to mount things in protected external space where it takes up no external or internal space. Between 1958 and 2008 most body panels are bolt on interchangeable and there are many body panels from the different models to choose from (I've seen one that was modified to have 4 door panels on one side and 2 door panels on the other. Wheel base ranges from 88 inches through 127 inches. They have a big box latter style box frame and an aluminum body which helps keep the centre of gravity low.

The roof unbolts allowing you to drive topless, with a canvas top, pick up top or a number of different hard top configurations or even unbolt the rear body and add an ambulance rear body. There's even a 6X6 version, multiple tracked versions and amphibious versions as well.

Series were introduced in 1948. The Series I was in production through 1957. They are very light weight, rugged but the engines are small and hard to get parts for. The Series I 80 inch wheelbase would be a good platform for a light weight day trip rig where rugged simplicity is king. I think these would be perfect for a RV towed trail rig. Put a Land Rover 200tdi in it and you would have plenty of torque and 30 or more MPG on the trail.

The Series II 2 was introduced in 1958 and the same basic body style is still in production. The transfer case is very strong and running dry is about the only thing that kills them.

Series Land Rovers are easy to work on. One might say that they were designed to be worked on in the jungle with little more than a screw driver and an adjustable spanner. Defenders are more complicated but not by that much. These lend themselves well to field repairs.

The Bad:

Series Land Rovers are woefully underpowered. The 2.25L petrol engine was optimistically rated at 70 HP. Diesels at 60 HP. The tdi engines were never sold in the States, but the 200 tdi (about 115 HP) bolts to a Series gearbox.

The Rover aluminum V8 is fragile, easily destroyed by overheating, needs premium and gets worse fuel mileage then the carb'ed Series 4 cyl engine. The LT77 gearbox is also quite weak.

The Series gearbox is a was designed in the 1930's and 160 lbft is about the limit on torque the box can handle.

The Land Rover 10 spline axle is very weak and rear axles should be considered to be consumables (The good news is that the Land Rover has full floating axles so the wheels won't fall off). Upgrades to the much stronger 24 spline axle is bolt in, an even bigger 30 spline axle upgrade requires a little bit of machining and some folks are putting Toyota axles & lockers under Land Rovers.

There is not a whole lot of leg space and it gets really tight for someone over 6 foot tall (Defenders are a bit better in that respect).

Series Land Rovers have poor front articulation and medium rear articulation. At both ends articulation is limited by the extension of the shocks (Defenders have the shock mounts farther apart). Also, the front leaf springs are very short and the shackle location is wrong for good front articulation. Some people address this by installing longer leaf springs at the front. Defenders, with their coil springs have more articulation than their older Series siblings. But a Series can be made to articulate as well as a coiler with a bit of effort.

There are other weak points, but these are the biggies.


A Series Land Rover is a very primitive vehicle by modern standards. For that matter so is a Defender, but less so. On the other hand there is more charisma in a Series Land Rover lug nut than most other vehicles could ever hope to obtain. Besides, air conditioners and things like door weatherstripping that actually seal are highly overrated items.
 

Grim Reaper

Expedition Leader
TeriAnn said:
Vehicle: 1960 Land Rover Dormobile

Basic stats for my Land Rover:
Ford 302 engine, Borg Warner T-18 gearbox, Land Rover transfercase with high ratio high range gears installed. Front axle has hardened 24 spline axles, TruTrac diff and uprated R&P. Disc brakes on the front. Rear axle is a Salisbury (Dana 60 made under license by Land Rover). Inside are hardened 24 spline axles & an ARB air locker. Rear brakes are stock drums. R&P ratio is 4.75:1, low range first is 70:1, 65 MPH is 2650 RPM.
WOW that thing has all the goodies! First time I read the full list of what it has. Been drooling over the back for a long time. Is that a 110 Wheelbase?


Ok mine so as not to totally Hijack the thread.

86 4Runner.
22RE, W56 5 Speed and gear drive 2.28 low-range toy case. Motors has been rebuilt and a mild cam installed. The head was shaved and the block decked to get a good mating surface. Unfortunately that was just enough to necessitate Mid grade to keep it from pinging but stock otherwise. W56 has been rebuilt with new gears and Synthetic oil.

Typical toy rear axle that has had a E-Locker and 4.88 installed to adjust for the 33.s Synthetic oil New wheel bearings and seals.

Suspension. IFS front Live axle rear. Neapo TJ coil mod to level the rear. NO other suspension modifications. 33x12.5x15 on stock offset 15x7 AR OutlawII rims.

The good:

Very reliable now that the truck has been completely gone through end to end. Its ready for its next 100k. 18mpg in town and 22MPG on the hwy if the terrain is flat and you stay under 70mph. Very easy to work on. Parts easy to find.

Can seat 4 adults (once you are in the back seat is surprisingly roomy for even a 6ft tall person like myself. The problem is getting in and out of the back seat through the side door.

Roof over rear can be removed and soft tops available.
Good size cargo area even when the back seat is up considering its size. The fender storage area holds a surprising amount of material (mine has 2 quarts of oil, Gallon of coolant, Tree saver, Recovery strap, spare belts and a couple spare hoses in it right now with the cover closed).

Will run upside down with FI. It has never missed a beat as long as the fuel pick up was able to suck gas.

size on the trail is awesome!

33's NO lift. Just a little hammering on the fender lip and cab seam.

IFS is wonderful on the why and wash board roads. Say what you like about IFS but for my needs (I'm not interested in hard core rock crawling). I really have no complaints. I had planned to SAS and I even have and axle in waiting for it but I really don't see then need yet. One of my wheeling buddies has a stock 2 door Unlimited Rubi and so far I have been able to follow him any where he went. I actually have better ground clearance. He can't keep up with me on the wash board. That bouncing front axle just beats on the truck where mine still feels totally in control and I don't feel like I am flogging it.

Bad:

Size. I down sized to this from a Full size Blazer. I am having to discipline myself to take less (and in some ways that is good). I am trying to make it where I can sleep in it but space is tight. I knew that was a trade off for the 20mpg over the 10mpg the K5 got.

Seats are comfy but I sometimes feel a little cramped especially if I have been driving my Burb LOL.

Lack of power on the hwy with a load. I have a small cargo trailer that weighs about 500lb empty. When you have it loaded down you really can tell their is a 100lb extra LB following you. Often drop out of 5th to maintain speed. If I had to do it again I would have swapped to the 2.7, 3.4 or 4.3GM. I only have to smog for 2 more years in my state. It may well get a V6 at that point. A 4.3 and 700R4 should be able to get 20+mpg in that body and have plenty of power to tow my little trailer.

Rear seat entry. Thought I would have the roof off all the time and it just hasn't happened at ALL in 3 years. The 2nd Gen 4 Door would have been a better choice since I have 2 kids and the sliding sunroof would have been Nice over the pop up.
 

Clark White

Explorer
2000 Tacoma XTRA CabTRD
3.4L V6 5Spd man

2.5" lift with Donahoe Coilovers with Camburg Upper A arms. 2.5" front dif drop. Add a leaf in the rear. ARB with Warn M8000, home grown rear bumper similar to Demello's. Leer camper. 33x9.50's on stock 15" rims. ARB air locker in front dif.

Goods:
150k mi and still going strong. Put synthetic in the engine and quieted it right down. Decent mileage (17-20mpg). Nice ride. Extremely reliable. Looks darn good. Hands down one of the most capable vehicles I've seen/used in 11 years of professional off road driving. Electrical system comes fully sealed from the factory (big plus!). Nice ride for a 4x4. My friends call it the cockroach because they say only a cockroach could go the places I've taken it.

Bads:
Seats could be a little more comfortable. Sometimes wish it had a 6th gear (but thats all good 4x4's). Some minor problems with rear axle seals, and at full articulation the front right cv separates and self destructs from time to time (this is due to the long travel suspension). Some interior things such as glove box/center console/parts of the dash are a little cheaper then I would like and can rattle. Wish I could have gotten the 4 door with a manual trans.
 

TeriAnn

Explorer
Grim Reaper said:
WOW that thing has all the goodies! First time I read the full list of what it has. Been drooling over the back for a long time. Is that a 110 Wheelbase?

Actually that is not the full list. There's lots more than that.

The wheelbase is 111 inches. From the factory she was a 109 that measured 109-1/2 inches. I moved the rear axle rearwards 1-1/2 inches. It centred the rear wheel in the arch and eliminated 1-1/2 inches of rear overhang.

The wheelbase now measures 111 inches centre hub to centre hub.
 
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grahamfitter

Expedition Leader
1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport 4.0L 5spd. Stock except for 31 inch tires and congo cage roof rack for kayaks and hopefully a RTT. 160K+ miles. Pros and cons in no particular order:

Lots of fun.
Small and very manoeuverable with really tight turning circle.
Short wheel base is skittish on washboard roads.
Noisy with hard top. Worse with soft top.
Plenty of space for two people and their stuff. Four get to pack light!
Rarely needs fixing. When it does, parts are in stock and anyone can fix it.
OEM exhaust/inlet manifold breaks.
Door locks freeze in the winter.
Lots of farkles available but I'm staying light because...
Dana 35s are weak and 3.08 gears are a stretch with 31 inch tires.
Small 15 gallon tank and lousy 17-20 mpg.

Things I'd like to change: bigger fuel tank, OME springs, new seats.

This was the first year with the coil suspension. If I got another one, I'd pick a later year with stronger axles, slightly shorter gearing and a bigger fuel tank but I don't need a Rubicon. Possibly with the 2.5L engine. An unlimited would be better on washboard roads but it opens the door for taking too much stuff. Small and light is right, IMHO. If anything I would prefer to downsize from the Wrangler but a SWB series III Land Rover has always appealed. I am British, after all. ;)

Cheers,
Graham
 
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Another TJ here.....and very modified. There is not much left stock on my Jeep other than some sheetmetal and some mechanical housings.

The good......it is dead nuts reliable. I have beat on this vehicle for close to 10 years now and yet it runs perfectly. It will tow my Horizon Trailer with me and my wife in comfort with a good ride, decent visability, ac and a good heater. It will track straight down the highway at 65 mph yet is extremely capable on 4+ rated trails. Its seen the Rubicon twice, Moab, the Dusy, Tuweep, Table Mesa and a few of the Johnson Valley hammer trails.

The bad.....short wheelbase means cramped space when loaded with gear. The 3 speed automatic transmission while great on the trail is not so good on the highway for milage or for towing an expedition trailer. The soft-top flaps in the wind like a flag.

The attached picture was taken at an elevation of 10,000 or so feet on the Dusy Ershim trail outside of Fresno in the Sierra Nevadas.
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
1993 Ford E350 Diesel:

This is my new expedition rig. It is in-process and I don't have any data regarding fuel mileage. What I will say is that the interior is cavernous, and though currently fully gutted, will be fully capable of housing myself, my wife, and the dog for a year on the road starting Fall '08. I'm in the middle of a 4x4 conversion, so when complete, the van will be able to go anywhere with relative ease. Combine that with the N/A diesel (one wire going to the glow plug controller, thats it...dead nuts reliable) and I'll be able to get nearly 20 MPG for a majority of the traveling we do.

The only really bad thing about the van is its size, though I'm consciously building it to be capable of fitting inside a 20' shipping container for overseas adventures...

Spence
 

ujoint

Supporting Sponsor
I too chose a Ford van to be my all around rig. After having & restoring a 78 Quadravan, I decided I wanted something newer & more pleasant to drive, so I saved up & ordered a 2006 E350 diesel. It's my daily driver, mtn bike shuttle rig, camper, limo, and serves as the "buisness" vehicle for my clothing line. It's a great platform for this, unique, and I wouldn't change anything, just keep adding more goodies to make my trips easier/more luxurious. I have a full picture gallery on my website that has everything I've done to the van so far on my website if you want to check it out..... www.ujointclothing.com
 

StumpXJ

SE Expedition Society
U-Joint, that van is sick! Thanks for the website link, nice write up on what has been done. Very cool vehicle.

~James
 

toyrunner95

Explorer
wow this is great, its really useful in choosing a newer rig. not just for me but for others as well. keep the thoughts and pics comming!

dont forget the pics!
 

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