F150 - 2.7L vs 3.5L vs 5.0L

[Watt maker]

You've confused GVWR & GCWR. I don't see a 2012 F150 configuration with a GVWR spec above 7700 lbs, nor a GCWR below 10,400 lbs. Your 2012 must've had a GVWR of 7650 or 7700 lbs (depends on wheelbase) and a GCWR of 17,100 lbs if you had the Max Trailer Tow package, otherwise your GVWR would've been either 7200 or 7350 lbs with a GCWR of 15,500 lbs.

GCWR is the gross combined weight rating - that's combined weight of truck and trailer.

GVWR is the gross vehicle weight rating. That’s rated weight capacity of just the vehicle. GVWR minus the curb weight = available payload capacity.

For 2012, the HDPP f150’s had a 8200 lbs GVWR, which equated to around 2100 lbs of payload capacity. They are pretty rare but easy to spot due to unique wheels with 7 lugnuts. In 2012, I only found one of those HDPP crewcab 4x4 f150’s within 300 miles of my home. Unfortunately, the dealership it was at would not budge on the price so I settled for a max-tow f150 instead.

 

[Martinjmpr]

You've confused GVWR & GCWR. I don't see a 2012 F150 configuration with a GVWR spec above 7700 lbs, nor a GCWR below 10,400 lbs. Your 2012 must've had a GVWR of 7650 or 7700 lbs (depends on wheelbase) and a GCWR of 17,100 lbs if you had the Max Trailer Tow package, otherwise your GVWR would've been either 7200 or 7350 lbs with a GCWR of 15,500 lbs.

I seem to recall reading that the aluminum-body F-150s (starting in 2015) saved about 700lbs of weight over the previous gen of steel bodied trucks, so a GVWR of 7700 on a steel bodied truck would be roughly the same payload as my aluminum bodied truck at 7000.

GCWR is the gross combined weight rating - that's combined weight of truck and trailer.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

 

[D45]

I had 2,450 in the trucks bed before

Handled great

Yes the truck had max towing for sure, but couldn't verify payload package

 

[jbaucom]

I seem to recall reading that the aluminum-body F-150s (starting in 2015) saved about 700lbs of weight over the previous gen of steel bodied trucks, so a GVWR of 7700 on a steel bodied truck would be roughly the same payload as my aluminum bodied truck at 7000.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

I missed that there was a separate chart for the Heavy Duty Payload package trucks on the 2012 spec sheet that I was looking at. In 2012, all HDPP trucks had an 8200 lb GVWR regardless of cab/bed configuration. The 2020 spec sheet lists a max. GVWR of 7850 lbs for a HDPP truck, and the 7850 lb GVWR 2020 has 300 lbs higher payload capacity than the 8200 lb GVWR 2012 (based on a CC 6.5' 4x4). Comparing non HDPP trucks, a 2012 CC 5.5' 5.0 4x4 had a GVWR of 7350 lbs and payload of 1830 lbs, while a 2020 CC 5.5' 5.0 4x4 has a GVWR of 7000 lbs and payload capacity of 2080 lbs. Looks like Ford took the 6-700 lb weight savings and pretty well evenly split it by reducing GVWRs while still increasing max. payloads. 2020 3.5TT Max Tow package truck have a max. GCWR of 18,400 lbs.

 

[ricoisme26]

I had 2,450 in the trucks bed before

Handled great

Yes thr truck had max towing for sure, but couldn't verify payload package

Your truck wouldn't have had the HDPP package, it would have been a stripped down XLT with minimal options and package specific wheels. Good looking truck though, good to know what they are capable of as well

 

[D45]

Direct and port injection - it helps keep the valves cleaner, since with only direct injection no fuel flows over the back of the valves.

This first appeared in 2015?

 

[jbaucom]

This first appeared in 2015?

First appeared on the 3.5TT in 2017, 3.3 V6, 2.7TT, & 5.0 V8 in 2018. The introduction of dual direct and port fuel injection occurs at the same time as the introduction of the 10 speed transmission (except the 3.3 V6 which kept the 6 speed).

 

[D45]

I found a nice 2015 F150 3.5L with only 36,000 miles

Max Tow and long bed, with a cap

However, if direct and port didn't appear until 2017......I need to keep looking

 

[D45]

Your truck wouldn't have had the HDPP package, it would have been a stripped down XLT with minimal options and package specific wheels. Good looking truck though, good to know what they are capable of as well

Definitely wasn't stripped down

Loaded with every option ford offered, minus the retractable side steps

It had the Max Tow for sure

7,700 I believe and VVGG spring code.......

 

[ricoisme26]

Definitely wasn't stripped down

Loaded with every option ford offered, minus the retractable side steps

It had the Max Tow for sure

7,700 I believe and VVGG spring code.......

I think max tow would be hire, my truck is not max tow, didn’t even include a factory brake controller and it is rated for 7700lbs towing. 5.0 with 3:55 gears, believe 3,73 gearing would have made my truck rated for 9800lbs. I think max tow was over 10k for 2012 but I don’t have a chart in front of me now for reference/verification.


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[Watt maker]

I think max tow would be hire, my truck is not max tow, didn’t even include a factory brake controller and it is rated for 7700lbs towing. 5.0 with 3:55 gears, believe 3,73 gearing would have made my truck rated for 9800lbs. I think max tow was over 10k for 2012 but I don’t have a chart in front of me now for reference/verification.


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I think you’re confusing GVWR with towing capacity. In 2012, max-tow f150’s had a GVWR of 7700 lbs and were rated to tow 11,300 lbs.

 

[ricoisme26]

I think you’re confusing GVWR with towing capacity. In 2012, max-tow f150’s had a GVWR of 7700 lbs and were rated to tow 11,300 lbs.

My trucks GVWR is 7350, tow rating 7700. Perhaps max tow trucks had GVWR of 7700 and it’s a coincidence that my tow rating and their GVWR are the same. 11300 lbs sounds correct for the max tow rating on a 2012 truck.


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[ricoisme26]

Charts for 2012 trucks linked below

2012 3.5 157” wheel base with max tow GVWR 7700 max towing capacity with 4x4 11,300 lbs

2012 5.0 145” wheel base GVWR 7350

https://www.blueovaltech.com/2012/2012-f150-specs.pdf

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[D45]

Alot of the newer, used Ram 5.7L 1500 trucks I have seen have the 8 speed transmission with 3.21 gears

Just seems odd to me

Then again, my Silverado has an 8 speed with 3.54 gearing

 

[jbaucom]

Alot of the newer, used Ram 5.7L 1500 trucks I have seen have the 8 speed transmission with 3.21 gears

Just seems odd to me

Then again, my Silverado has an 8 speed with 3.54 gearing

It's no different than the current crop of GM trucks using 3.23 gears, or a lot of F150 5.0 trucks being equipped with 3.31 gears. The more speeds the transmission has, the wider the gear ratio spread, and therefore numerically lower axle gears become feasible for fuel economy while maintaining satisfactory performance and towing capability. However, GM hasn't used 3.54 axle gears in light trucks in the last 30+ years. Offerings since 2014 are 3.08, 3.23, 3.42, 3.73, and 4.10. Your truck should have 3.42 gears.