FJ Cruiser

justfred

Adventurer
expeditionswest said:
Welcome to the forum and congrats on the DII purchase. How are you planning to address the lack of CDL? (I am a prior DII owner).

I've seen kits to convert, from https://www.expeditionexchange.com/ assuming my transfer case is compatible. I'm not sure I ever "needed" the CDL in the D1. But I'm sure it would be worth it. At the moment I'm more concerned with lack of roof rack crossbars (I know there are no holes for them, haven't checked under the back seat yet to see if I have clamp-ons).

expeditionswest said:
Thanks for your thoughts and comments on the FJ. I think that the vehicle will work very well for those looking for off-road capability, a compact structure and unique styling.

Just wait until some of the heavily modified ones come out. I have seen the CAD design reviews for a few, and LOOK out, they are sweet. Expect to see one on 39" Iroks in a magazine soon ;)

I'm sure they will be awesome off-road, even the stock ones. I just felt claustrophobic. And the salesperson was lousy.
 

justfred

Adventurer
BajaTaco said:
Swiss, congrats!!!!!!! :clapsmile

Fred, welcome to the forum. I have noticed quite a few similar complaints about the lack of visibility. I imagine if you are used to lots of windows around the vehicle you drive, the lack of immediate visibility in the rear-view mirror is uncomfortable. But I honestly don't think it is really going to present any type of unusual safety liability. It's like any other vehicle that utilizes side mirrors and can be done safely and succesfully. Anyone who drives a panel van, cargo van, commercial vehicle, etc. can negotiate the streets safely with the use of side mirrors augmented with fish-eye auxiliary mirrors. I think the FJ side mirrors are quite good for this type of use. A backup camera could easily be added to supplement the vision as well.

That's the general thought; I drive plenty of vehicles with little or no rear viz. It was the FRONT and 90 degree side viz that I thought was intolerable. I believe the FJ was designed to be a trade show concept car. No one needs to see the inside of a convention center. Then when they decided to actually produce it it was too tough to modify the styling. I also believe it's an accident (and a product liability lawsuit) waiting to happen. Really a bummer, because I love the vehicle in a lot of ways and was really looking forward to it.
 

justfred

Adventurer
expeditionswest said:
Here is the result of my testing with the traction control and CDL. I believe the retrofit to be critical to the performance and safety of the machine. Maybe it will be helpful to you :)


CDL and the Discovery II

Interesting. I may or may not have a trans that is amenable to CDL - on report says 1999-2001 are, late 2001-2004 aren't.

I just picked it up Friday so I haven't abused it much yet, but will certainly give iit a look-see.

Thanks!
 

BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
Fred, I can see your point. Hey, I like the avatar - show us a few more pics on another thread when you get the chance. Looks really nice!
 

The Swiss

Expedition Leader
Reading all the comments, I'm really curious now; enough space to sleep in the inside vs surprisingly small in the rear. guys please agree on something and stop driving me crazy!! :D I actually hope the interior is similar to the Isuzu Trooper in size, but for sure not smaller than my Grand Cherokee.

The one I reserved has all the options I wanted (especially the 16" BFG AT) without too many options I did not wanted (I don't care about the spare wheel cover). What I'm not sure about though is the color, voodoo blue. I would have preferred titanium or yellow, but the dealers around here have no clue when they will receive what color. At this point they are not even exactly sure when they will receive mine. The dealer said that if I hate the color, they could try to swap vehicle with an other dealer. But it will be extremely hard to also match my wishes regarding the options ...

Gee, I'm too nervous to go to sleep ...
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Have no worries Mike, you made a great choice. Everyone has different needs when it comes to trucks.

The rear storage area is very similar to the Grand Cherokee, though considerably smaller than the Trooper (which is cavernous by most standards).

Remember, you are buying a fantastic platform to build from, with legendary Toyota reliability and durability and great off-highway functionality.

You should rest quite soundly amigo!
 

justfred

Adventurer
Swiss,

I'm almost certain there's not room to sleep in the back, unless maybe you're short and you build a platform. The rear seat does not fold flat, and it's about 5'5" from the back door to the back of the back seats with the rear seat cushion removed.

This has been extensively discussed on their forum, www.fjcruiserforums.com - in fact it's one of the most frequently asked questions.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
With the seat bottoms removed there is enough room for someone up to 6'.

Here is Chris demonstrating during our tech session with Toyota.
 

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BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
Swiss, I agree with Scott - I think you will be very happy.

Regarding sleeping in the back, I am quite sure it can be done for anyone 6'-0" and shorter. To clarify:

1. Rear seats would need to be removed (as mentioned, they do not fold flat).
2. Deck built above wheel wells to maximize lateral space and provide continuous flat surface. This would make better use of space anyway, for storage bins and cubbies below the deck.
3. Front seats would need to be tilted forward, and slid forward on their tracks.
4. Possibly, a hinged or sliding deck extension would be required for the space created where the front seats flip/slide forward while in camping mode.

The one downside that I could see to this though, is that there would be no place to mount a standard type 12V fridge and still have a sleeping area. There would also be limited space left inside the cabin to throw gear and packs/boxes whatever if it was raining outside. This would require some thought to keep stuff dry outside of the vehicle in inclement weather (most likely a tarp or large bins).
 

HongerVenture

Adventurer
Swiss,

Stick to it brother! You are living my dream right now. I strongly desire an FJ Cruiser in Voodoo Blue. I want to add the rock sliders and rear locker only and have everything else be stock. We test drove one and my wife and I tested the back area for a sleeping platform... you can make it work!

The test drive was amazing! It was an automatic which is the direction I'd most likely go. I still want to test drive a manual and see a Blue and Yellow one in person. My wife even likes it and would like one.

We just see no place that it fits into our plans, financially or family wise. Ugh! Don't you hate that!

Joel
 

paulj

Expedition Leader
The Honda Element, while no match for the FJ when the driving gets rough, works well for sleeping. It's seats fold up against the sides, giving a nearly flat floor that is 6' long with the front seats all the way forward. Removing the rear seats completely gives more space at shoulder level.

BajaTaco said:
2. Deck built above wheel wells to maximize lateral space and provide continuous flat surface. This would make better use of space anyway, for storage bins and cubbies below the deck.
At floor level the Element is 42"; about 10" up, it is closer to 48". I made a platform from wood boards (1x10s, 1x3), slotted angle steel, and plywood(2 2x4 pieces of 1/2 ply), that has enough storage depth for 8 gal Rubber maid boxes. It is only 4' long, so for sleeping I need to either lower front seat backs, or add a 2' extension at the front or back (tailgate) end.
3. Front seats would need to be tilted forward, and slid forward on their tracks.
In the Element I can either tilt the front seats forward, or tilt them back to form a (roughly) flat surface with my platform. Without the platform, the front seats can fold flat and form a continuous surface with the rear seats (which also fold flat). This could also be done with the Toyota RAV4, at least the 1st and 2nd generation.

4. Possibly, a hinged or sliding deck extension would be required for the space created where the front seats flip/slide forward while in camping mode.
The Element has a clam shell tailgate, so the lower section nicely extends the cargo floor by a 1 1/2'. In most weather you'd want some sort of tailgate enclosure. The 'midsize camper top tent' intended for compact pickups works on the Element, though it could use some tailoring (the Element's tailgate is taller than the typical pickup campertop). There are 'suv tents' that have a sleeve to slip around an open tailgate. However some of those don't work well with a tailgate mounted spare tire.

The one downside that I could see to this though, is that there would be no place to mount a standard type 12V fridge and still have a sleeping area. There would also be limited space left inside the cabin to throw gear and packs/boxes whatever if it was raining outside. This would require some thought to keep stuff dry outside of the vehicle in inclement weather (most likely a tarp or large bins).

I have more space in my Element with the front seats folded flat, than with them folded forward. Still I have to pack gear carefully to have enough space when camping. I make full use of the front seat foot wells, and the dash. I also stack items on the front seats. My cooking gear is in 8 gal rubber maid boxes, which can go inside, or left outside if 'coons and bears are not a worry. I also have odds and ends in a larger Brutt Rubbermaid box that is sufficiently water tight to be left outside.

I have also experimented with a variety of traps and awnings, and keep gear dry under them. In some settings, though, theft by humans could be a worry. Storing gear in the roofrack, or a roof top box is also an option.

Element campers also talk about ways of getting out. You can't open the tailgate from the inside - though it isn't hard to add access to the latch mechanism. It is possible to open the open a front door from the rear seat area, but it can be awkward.

paulj
 

Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
paulj,
that pesky fully boxed frame takes up alot of space compared to unibody ;)

I am anxious to see the FJ on the trail. I know it will do well and hope it is a positive influx of new Cruiser afficianados:beer:
 

durango_60

Explorer
I just finished test driving both an auto and a six speed fj cruiser. I absolutely loved it, sure the visibility leaves a lot to be desired, it doesn't have a sfa, and (insert another complaint here). My opinion is that it is an excellent vehicle that compromises off road ability, daily drivability and long term toyota reliabilty very well.

I have decided to sell both my 80 and my 60 and commit to the FJ Cruiser. :gunt:
 

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