Fox News running story on LR confiscations
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I Leak Oil
Expedition Leader
Selectively enforced laws.
Arktikos
Explorer
Selectively enforced only because priorities and resources don't allow full enforcement. Once in awhile raids such as these are conducted in an attempt to discourage crime and keep people honest.
Good luck with that!
Clearly it had become widely known, even within federal government agencies, that cheating the 25 yr. rule was common. A good chance the woman didn't even know-assuming this was in fact one of the altered title trucks. But I don't feel sorry for her at all. She chose to follow Fox's BS hysteria story rather than face the music.
Good luck with that!
Clearly it had become widely known, even within federal government agencies, that cheating the 25 yr. rule was common. A good chance the woman didn't even know-assuming this was in fact one of the altered title trucks. But I don't feel sorry for her at all. She chose to follow Fox's BS hysteria story rather than face the music.
SSF556
SE Expedition Society
What?
Arktikos
Explorer
Fox did not present any account of the law or laws that may have been broken by these imports, nor did the woman allow for this possibility. Instead, they look to inflame passions against the big, bad guvment. If you import a Land Rover less than 25 yrs old and get caught, don't go crying over your milk. Again it's possible she didn't know, but she does now.
Arktikos
Explorer
"Face the music" is an idiom. Definition:
1.
be confronted with the unpleasant consequences of one's actions.
Depends on the subject/agenda. BBC can be very biased with false reporting and omission of information.
"Aren't political discussions not allowed here precisely because they inevitably turn into this peanut gallery foodfight nonsense?"
Here's how I interpret the "no politics" rule. If a post is strongly promoting or denigrating a political figure or party, then it's out of bounds. Observations about biased news reporting, or complaints about government administrative actions, that's OK, in my opinion. So I'm inclined to let this thread continue. If it turns into an anti-government rant, then it's time to close it down.
PM me if you see things differently.
Here's how I interpret the "no politics" rule. If a post is strongly promoting or denigrating a political figure or party, then it's out of bounds. Observations about biased news reporting, or complaints about government administrative actions, that's OK, in my opinion. So I'm inclined to let this thread continue. If it turns into an anti-government rant, then it's time to close it down.
PM me if you see things differently.
pugslyyy
Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
I'd prefer not to see the parts of the discussion where we are debating killing black babies v. central american babies. I'm ambivalent about the dolphin slaughter discussion - though I don't really see how that adds to the discourse, either.
wreckdiver1321
Overlander
This is true, although they seem to be less biased when it comes to US affairs.
DividingCreek
Explorer
What you pontifs with conjecture and opinions lack is actual knowledge.
US Customs interpreted the existing code to be model year. IE August to July is a typical model year for vehicles and as long as a truck fell within that span was treated as being 25 model years old. What they have done here is changed their interpretation to being actual build date instead. Well getting an exact build date was never what was done. Foreign registrations show a "date of first registration" which is typically weeks, months and in some cases years after the vehicle left the factory. The first registration dates are what Customs used to determine model year and legality of entry for many years up until December 2012. From that time forward the date of first registration now needs to be a full 25 calendar years ago or you can get a build date letter showing the date the truck left the factory in order to import the truck earlier. What is completely fubar'd here is that while Customs can certainly change their interpretation of the code and enforce it differently going forward, going back and trying to change their decisions is completely wrong. This wasn't a case of anyone trying to get over on US Customs with these dates, nor was it a single officer making a mistake, this is how it was nationwide. For those having trouble interpreting, Customs established a methodology and applied it to all entries and now is trying to make a case that the entries were fraudulent when nothing could be further from the truth. If you read the petition the vast majority of the trucks declared as contraband so they could be seized were 24yrs and x months old @ time of entry. To my knowledge this has nothing to do with anything stolen.
US Customs interpreted the existing code to be model year. IE August to July is a typical model year for vehicles and as long as a truck fell within that span was treated as being 25 model years old. What they have done here is changed their interpretation to being actual build date instead. Well getting an exact build date was never what was done. Foreign registrations show a "date of first registration" which is typically weeks, months and in some cases years after the vehicle left the factory. The first registration dates are what Customs used to determine model year and legality of entry for many years up until December 2012. From that time forward the date of first registration now needs to be a full 25 calendar years ago or you can get a build date letter showing the date the truck left the factory in order to import the truck earlier. What is completely fubar'd here is that while Customs can certainly change their interpretation of the code and enforce it differently going forward, going back and trying to change their decisions is completely wrong. This wasn't a case of anyone trying to get over on US Customs with these dates, nor was it a single officer making a mistake, this is how it was nationwide. For those having trouble interpreting, Customs established a methodology and applied it to all entries and now is trying to make a case that the entries were fraudulent when nothing could be further from the truth. If you read the petition the vast majority of the trucks declared as contraband so they could be seized were 24yrs and x months old @ time of entry. To my knowledge this has nothing to do with anything stolen.
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DividingCreek
Explorer
The DHS agent had the trucks declared as contraband so they could be seized and inspected in hopes of gathering evidence for the case against the original importer. Some of the data and as explained the accusations used to get the warrant signed were flawed.
If any of this bothers you please follow this link and add your name to a petition asking for consideration to look @ the re-writing of the existing law that has absolutely nothing to do with safety or emissions. Its has been up for only a few days and already has around 40k signatures.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-importation-non-conforming-cars-and/PhZ4RMgz
If any of this bothers you please follow this link and add your name to a petition asking for consideration to look @ the re-writing of the existing law that has absolutely nothing to do with safety or emissions. Its has been up for only a few days and already has around 40k signatures.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-importation-non-conforming-cars-and/PhZ4RMgz
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Arktikos
Explorer
There's only one pope, and I doubt he's posting on the Portal!
Here's a good article on the subject from Car and Driver, an auto enthusiast publication that does not support the enforcement of these laws. But, they recognize that the laws they don't like are in fact being broken.
" As a result, selling age-faked Defenders has become something of a cottage industry"
http://blog.caranddriver.com/exclusive-feds-declare-war-on-black-market-land-rover-defenders/
DividingCreek
Explorer
Yes I have some small knowledge of the subject. The article you link is nearly a year and a half old.
Like I said this started in late 2012. The trucks named in the recent warrant were all imported prior to then.
ie....one who pontificates.
Like I said this started in late 2012. The trucks named in the recent warrant were all imported prior to then.
ie....one who pontificates.
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