Full size winch bumpers

[tmacc]

Great suggestion. that's a good looking bumper as well. Are those the dog treat Kong balls?...and how do you get them on? My neighbor has the same winch as you. It's worked out great to get to the cabin they're building in WY. A good bang for the buck. With everything we're working on now, I just could't justify a couple grand for a Warn or equivalent winch.

I just re-read some of the comments before I posted. My aluminum bumper is suppose to weight 130 lb. Add 90 lb. for the steel version. For comparison, I was told the Aluminess bumper is 102 lb. The bumper itself is all aluminum. Including all of the structure welded behind the bumper(obviously). The frame brackets are steel as well as is the grill guard. The fog light brackets are steel too. I reused the factory tow hooks. 5 minutes with a 5'' cut off wheel on a grinder cut the factory flange off.

 

[XJLI]

Winches and bumper bars are two unconnected subjects.
Fix a winch to your front bumper and it will probably be in the wrong place when you need it.
I have power front and back and can attach the winch to any part of the vehicle. It always "points" in the direction of the cable, so tends not to bunch up on the drum.
It is a Warn 16.5ti.
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Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

This is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in my life

 

[tmacc]

Nice rig. It definitely paid for itself. The front ends of these truck are basically all plastic. I'm hoping if the situation arises, ours will perform the same.

 

[warrpath4x4]

I always remember this guys story about running through a herd of elk.

http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/subbumpervselk.htm

 

[IdaSHO]

Great suggestion. that's a good looking bumper as well. Are those the dog treat Kong balls?...and how do you get them on? My neighbor has the same winch as you. It's worked out great to get to the cabin they're building in WY. A good bang for the buck. With everything we're working on now, I just could't justify a couple grand for a Warn or equivalent winch.

Yep, just a large sized dog toy Kong Ball
I did bore the center out large enough for the ferrule to slip in.
The entire cable must be unspooled off the drum for install.

 

[IdaSHO]

Nice rig. It definitely paid for itself. The front ends of these truck are basically all plastic. I'm hoping if the situation arises, ours will perform the same.

Thats what sold me on a big full coverage bumper.

Just start adding up replacement costs for one **********, and the cost of a good bumper is proper insurance.

 

[tmacc]

Yup ^^^^^^
My wife smacked a deer @ 70 in her '11 Xterra and did about $4K worth of damage. I'm not sure any bumper for her vehicle would have survived but it might have reduced some of the damage. We may all pick on brush guards(I tried to get her to take the damn thing off. It looks ridiculous) but it probably did spread the impact and she was able to drive it around till it went in the shop.

 

[Buliwyf]

Winches and bumper bars are two unconnected subjects.
Fix a winch to your front bumper and it will probably be in the wrong place when you need it.
I have power front and back and can attach the winch to any part of the vehicle. It always "points" in the direction of the cable, so tends not to bunch up on the drum.
It is a Warn 16.5ti.
View attachment 512728
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

Generally, if my winch isn't optimally placed, I grab my Hilift, chain, and rope.

Eventually I gave up on electric winches entirely. Hilifts are a pita, but electric winches require 10 times more service than the occurrence of events where they're useful. So......

 

[britome]

Winches and bumper bars are two unconnected subjects.
Fix a winch to your front bumper and it will probably be in the wrong place when you need it.
I have power front and back and can attach the winch to any part of the vehicle. It always "points" in the direction of the cable, so tends not to bunch up on the drum.
It is a Warn 16.5ti.
View attachment 512728
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

You are saying that you can suspend that winch between the vehicle and the tree? I have that warn winch set up that way for my bike. Didn’t know they had that for full size winches. Please confirm or explain.


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[Peter_n_Margaret]

Yes.
The winch is mounted to a small strong frame that I built which "plugs" into a Hayman Reece style tow hitch at the front of the vehicle (or into the tow bar at the rear of the vehicle), so it can be used in the conventional way either at the front or the rear. The front tow bar style mount is attached directly to two chassis cross members and has no relationship with the bumper bar.
The ability to use it remotely, like in the first pic, was a later modification.
The 2 x 10T synthetic ropes attaching it to the vehicle must be exactly equal lengths to keep it square. They can be attached to anything on the vehicle that is strong enough and convenient, either directly or via another single cable or strap. Theoretically it could be used to roll the vehicle back onto its wheels if it fell over. It could also be attached to any 2 things not on the vehicle at all, only limited by the length of the power cables.
Looking up at the winch and mount from underneath.... There is a wing pointing rearwards on the left side that is the attachment point for one of the 2 attachment ropes. There is a second one on the right that is barely visible. The winch cable is missing in this pic.


A pic of the winch in its mounting cradle from the back, top.

The winch has been mounted on this vehicle like this for 14 years now. Shifting it around takes some effort because of its weight, but it is doable.
The chain and padlock is so it does not get pinched which otherwise would be easy.

In Australia I have seen smaller (9,0000lb) winches mounted on commercially made mounting frames (I think ARB sells them?) that typically plug into 2 parallel mounting tubes that are maybe 1 1/2 feet apart and that can be shifted from front to rear, but mine is the only one I have ever seen that can be used off the vehicle completely.

EDIT: Here is one made by Warn.

Amazon.com: WARN 26370 Multi-Mount Winch Carrier Kit: Automotive

Buy WARN 26370 Multi-Mount Winch Carrier Kit: Mounts - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

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Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

 

[IdaSHO]

You may as well pack 1/2 the winch with the size and length wiring you have going to that big winch.

You are not getting anywhere near max capacity out of it as shown, and is a recipe for a dangerous electrical nightmare.

 

[Cameronswmp9​]

I have been eyeing the Move Bumpers and they may work for you here, OP. You can modify or omit plates to make it work for you, or even push the bumper out a scoash. They do have some that are able to house a winch as well.

 

[Peter_n_Margaret]

You may as well pack 1/2 the winch with the size and length wiring you have going to that big winch.
You are not getting anywhere near max capacity out of it as shown, and is a recipe for a dangerous electrical nightmare.

 

[IdaSHO]

I invite you to prove me wrong.

Provide length of conductor involved and size of conductor.

Its simple math. Not some silly proverb.

FYI, Warn rates that winch max pull at north of 500A

 

[Peter_n_Margaret]

Happy to help anyone who asks, but don't need to prove anything to you.
Yes, simple maths.
For those who don't know...
Voltage drop = cable length in metres X Amps X 0.0164 divide by conductor cross section in mm2.
Cable length must include both +ve and -ve.
Cheers,
Peter