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kellymoe

Expedition Leader
4Rescue said:
-Kellymoe: what don't you understand about snorkles on Petrols? Are you refering to the electronics? If so there are numerous ways to "waterproof" the stuf and I really do belive in the benefits of using them. the trucks I drove in OZ both Petrol and Diesel were proof enough for me after seeing non-equiped trucks and what happened to them on a few unfortunate ocasions

Most of my driving is done in dusty conditions so a snorkel may bring the intake above the dust a bit but either way I still need to clean or replace my filter. As for water, you can attempt to waterproof a petrol engine but it is still limited compared to a diesel. It's just a guess but I would say that the vast majority of people with snorkels on petrol engines have not made any attempt to waterproof their electronics. The snorkel debate will go on and on in regards to their benefit on petrol engines so I will just add that if I ever do add a snorkel to my truck it will be to introduce cooler air and really no other reason. But I have many other mods that my money could be put to better use for.
 

4x4abc

Adventurer
snorkel

4Rescue,

see that's the problem with generalizations - you might be right in general, but you did not include important exceptions. But in order to get a point across, you have to start out with a generalization
So, I am definitely with you - there are environments that do call for shovels, HiLift etc.

Re snorkels: air is densest and (in general, with exceptions) cooler close to the ground. That's why most car manufacturers place the engine air intake around or below the headlights. Dense, cool air produces more torque and HP - very importantly it makes for good mpg.

Guys that are in need for clean air (off-road racing) and can't have a stove pipe sticking out of the body (it would not survive long), usually suck air from the cabin.
That creates a higher noise level but guarantees clean and dry air.

For you guys still dreaming of crossing lakes with the water level about mid window: you'll definitely need a snorkel. Not environmentally sound to drive through deep water, but if you have to, a snorkel can save your engine.

With sufficiently large tires and the resulting high stance, snorkels are not needed for most water crossings - provided that you drive as slow as possible. The "bow wave" nonsense has killed too many engines to continue that doomed approach to water anyway.

Its time to find an easy method to calculate the flow rate of water (water depth is only part of the story) and establish a point at which driving is unsafe - does anyone have a good formula?
I have seen vehicles being swept down river with the water barely above the hub when the flow rate was very high.
 

kellymoe

Expedition Leader
4x4abc said:
Its time to find an easy method to calculate the flow rate of water (water depth is only part of the story) and establish a point at which driving is unsafe - does anyone have a good formula?
I have seen vehicles being swept down river with the water barely above the hub when the flow rate was very high.

If the water is almost knee high and it is difficult to walk across because of strong current, I wouldn't try driving across. It doesn't take too much water to move a vehicle.
 

39Ronin

Adventurer
I had a chance to see the Canadian Military G's up close this summer at an air show near Vancouver, BC. The guys I went with were having a good chuckle at me as I spent more time drooling over it than watching the air show. Pretty incredible looking machines, I would love to have one with the military specs.
 

Gurkha

Adventurer
I would tend to agree with Harald here, one of the reasons I removed my factory snorkel was due to the reasons he cited. The OM616 turbo also allowed me to remove the muffler and put a straight pipe which not only bought down EGT but I also gained a bit more power, mpg and quicker turbo spool. The noise gain has been minimal, actually it sounds nice and aggressive.
 

Harald Hansen

Explorer
39Ronin said:
Pretty incredible looking machines, I would love to have one with the military specs.

Be careful what you wish for. I've spent a fair amount of time running around in Norwegian military spec 240GD which are underpowered and have a gear box unsuited for the engine. Otherwise solid vehicles, and the factory lockers are nice, but do a bit of research before you buy an ex-military vehicle. I think even the powers-that-be in the Norwegian military procurement organization eventually has seen the light, and the newer vehicles are all 270 CIDs.
 

Gurkha

Adventurer
Harald Hansen said:
Be careful what you wish for. I've spent a fair amount of time running around in Norwegian military spec 240GD which are underpowered and have a gear box unsuited for the engine. Otherwise solid vehicles, and the factory lockers are nice, but do a bit of research before you buy an ex-military vehicle. I think even the powers-that-be in the Norwegian military procurement organization eventually has seen the light, and the newer vehicles are all 270 CIDs.


I would agree, however if the OM616 can get a factory turbo job as they do in my Gurkha and combine that with the MB 5 speed, it becomes a very reliable and potent option.
 

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
It's so funny how things hapen... SO I resurected this thread and now for some odd reason I've been Seing G-Wagens around Portland alot more than usual. The best one is the one I saw yesterday, it was OD greenish (a little lighter kind of a pea soup) with all teh requsite overland kit on it: Roof rack Shovel I belive, jerry Cans etc. I've never seen it around, but it was SWEET looking. I wish I could have stoped the guy driving it and invited him to join the board, I'd love to know some specs on teh rig.

Cheers

Dave
 

nickw

Adventurer
How about this one

4Rescue said:
It's so funny how things hapen... SO I resurected this thread and now for some odd reason I've been Seing G-Wagens around Portland alot more than usual. The best one is the one I saw yesterday, it was OD greenish (a little lighter kind of a pea soup) with all teh requsite overland kit on it: Roof rack Shovel I belive, jerry Cans etc. I've never seen it around, but it was SWEET looking. I wish I could have stoped the guy driving it and invited him to join the board, I'd love to know some specs on teh rig.

Cheers

Dave

Another one if PDX - I can hear it calling your name!

Actually looks like a pretty respectable deal.

http://www.luxeauto.com/inventory_detail.cfm?Invid=816
 

lowenbrau

Explorer
Surely the Germans don't put those checkerplate door panels on from the factory, do they? I can't imagine a less comfortable thing in cold weather.
 

Ron B

Explorer
though I am a big fan of g-wagons, that video is not a fair comparison of performance as the hummer did not have lockers and the driver did not know how to btm.

rb
 

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