High Country
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I saw what you did, sounds like it has worked well. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to find a local source for springs to save on the shipping though.
Gen 1 Tundra Rear Suspension Questions
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If you wanted to drive to Santa Ana you could pick up the springs directly from Deaver. Shipping was only around $100 or so... cheaper than the gas it would burn to get there and back for me.I saw what you did, sounds like it has worked well. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to find a local source for springs to save on the shipping though.
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Lotsoftoys
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New hear but was peeking in every once in a while ive been on tundras.Com and TW for a long time... may be turning my fgt into my expo rig tho quite soon. This thread is exactly what I was looking for.
I'm intrigued by these deavers that everyone intrigued running.... I'm looking to have a rear bumper, swing out, bed rack, fridge, rtt and rotopax plus camping gear. I'm not lying I'm probably close to 750 pounds of shot added to the rear. Anyone have that much crap they carry? I want to hear how those springs hand that the weight.
Also interestinterested in shackle flip, although I'm not sure if necessary? Does anyone make a beefed up version of stock inverted mounts?
Thanks fellas here's my two rigs!
glad to be here!
ive been on tundras.Com and TW for a long time... may be turning my fgt into my expo rig tho quite soon. This thread is exactly what I was looking for. I'm intrigued by these deavers that everyone intrigued running.... I'm looking to have a rear bumper, swing out, bed rack, fridge, rtt and rotopax plus camping gear. I'm not lying I'm probably close to 750 pounds of shot added to the rear. Anyone have that much crap they carry? I want to hear how those springs hand that the weight.
Also interestinterested in shackle flip, although I'm not sure if necessary? Does anyone make a beefed up version of stock inverted mounts?
Thanks fellas here's my two rigs!
glad to be here!
High Country
Member
Here is what I am leaning toward after reading replies and doing some research... Note, my thoughts on rear suspension are more adventure tuned (rough roads, canopy on top, towing a trailer) than rock crawling & dune jumping.
New Leaf Pack (which one being the challenge), with rear shocks that better match my Kings up front.. Seems simple, but I bet I'll be out $1500+ all said and done... Archive Garage's leaf pack is intriguing, but might call Deaver direct to see what they say as well.
In the meantime I am just going to add my OEM overload spring back into my OEM leaf pack with the Wheeler's Progressive AAL kit and get some mileage out of my Bilstien 5100s.
I have read that the Deaver's are not really designed for towing... (See link and quote below)
https://camburg.com/shop/suspension/deaver-leaf-springs/
"Most Deaver springs are not designed for heavy hauling and heavy towing."
Is the Archive Garage version a different beast?
I think when the 1st Gens came out the AAL kits worked pretty good for my intended use. 10+ years later the OEM leaf packs are showing some age and a new pack seems to help make that up and add to the OEM capabilities at the same time.
If I decide more off road capabilities are needed I would take a hard look at the Archive Garage Shackle Flip.
Here is a good write up @Flyer69 did on his rear suspension mod. He is is still looking for shocks that fit, so curious as to what sizes he finds out he ends up needing.
https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/flyers-02-tundra-adventure-build.157655/page-7
New Leaf Pack (which one being the challenge), with rear shocks that better match my Kings up front.. Seems simple, but I bet I'll be out $1500+ all said and done... Archive Garage's leaf pack is intriguing, but might call Deaver direct to see what they say as well.
In the meantime I am just going to add my OEM overload spring back into my OEM leaf pack with the Wheeler's Progressive AAL kit and get some mileage out of my Bilstien 5100s.
I have read that the Deaver's are not really designed for towing... (See link and quote below)
https://camburg.com/shop/suspension/deaver-leaf-springs/
"Most Deaver springs are not designed for heavy hauling and heavy towing."
Is the Archive Garage version a different beast?
I think when the 1st Gens came out the AAL kits worked pretty good for my intended use. 10+ years later the OEM leaf packs are showing some age and a new pack seems to help make that up and add to the OEM capabilities at the same time.
If I decide more off road capabilities are needed I would take a hard look at the Archive Garage Shackle Flip.
Here is a good write up @Flyer69 did on his rear suspension mod. He is is still looking for shocks that fit, so curious as to what sizes he finds out he ends up needing.
https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/flyers-02-tundra-adventure-build.157655/page-7
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I have easily 500# of gear, wood, fridge in the bed, canopy with hardshell RTT, 2 5-gal MFC's and 5 gal water can on one swingout and my spare on the other. The Archive Garage 10-leaf pack by Deaver handles that weight very nicely... only compressed 3/4" from empty height, and manners were amazing.New hear but was peeking in every once in a while
I'm intrigued by these deavers that everyone intrigued running.... I'm looking to have a rear bumper, swing out, bed rack, fridge, rtt and rotopax plus camping gear. I'm not lying I'm probably close to 750 pounds of shot added to the rear. Anyone have that much crap they carry? I want to hear how those springs hand that the weight.
Also interestinterested in shackle flip, although I'm not sure if necessary? Does anyone make a beefed up version of stock inverted mounts?
Thanks fellas here's my two rigs! View attachment 451584View attachment 451585glad to be here!
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Lotsoftoys
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Here is what I am leaning toward after reading replies and doing some research... Note, my thoughts on rear suspension are more adventure tuned (rough roads, canopy on top, towing a trailer) than rock crawling & dune jumping.
New Leaf Pack, with rear shocks that better match my Kings up front.. Seems simple, but I bet I'll be out $1500+ all said and done... Archive Garage's leaf pack is intriguing, but might call Deaver direct to see what they say as well.
In the meantime I am just going to add my OEM overload spring back into my OEM leaf pack with the Wheeler's Progressive AAL kit and get some mileage out of my Bilstien 5100s.
I think when the 1st Gens came out the AAL kits worked pretty good for my intended use. 10+ years later the OEM leaf packs are showing some age and a new pack seems to help make that up and add to the OEM capabilities at the same time.
If I decide more off road capabilities are needed I would take a hard look at the Archive Garage Shackle Flip.
Here is a good write up @Flyer69 did on his rear suspension mod. He is is still looking for shocks that fit, so curious as to what sizes he finds out he ends up needing.
https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/flyers-02-tundra-adventure-build.157655/page-7
I'm currently on the same ish setup. 3 leaf Deaver aal, half inch spacer and toytec boss shocks. Works great for towing and mild offroad. But I too would be interested in taking with Deaver about springs for my weight and wants.
Also wondering about shock relocates... I relocated the shocks outboard of the frame on my taco and it's amazing for body roll and stability
Right on great advice. Pics of the truck? Curious of fender to center of wheel measurement? Did u do the Shackle flip?
Lotsoftoys, here's the link to my build thread. There are pics and write up of the leaf pack install there.
https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/flyers-02-tundra-adventure-build.157655/
I didn't do a shackle flip, but I did do a U-bolt flip. For me, doing a shackle flip to gain ride height and articulation with a tired set of leaf springs was not practical. Although more expensive, changed out the root of the issues... tired saggy leafs.
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https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/flyers-02-tundra-adventure-build.157655/
I didn't do a shackle flip, but I did do a U-bolt flip. For me, doing a shackle flip to gain ride height and articulation with a tired set of leaf springs was not practical. Although more expensive, changed out the root of the issues... tired saggy leafs.
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Lotsoftoys
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Nice truck man... any chacne you could measure from center of hub to fender in the rear? Curious the amount of lift with those springs. You kept the factory shackle hanger and shackles right?
rickashay
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Tundra owner no more... but miss & loved my old one: The Legend of Doug
I'd highly recommend a visit to Archive Garage if your looking for rear suspension options. I was running the earliest prototype Deaver leaf pack Eric (Archive Garage) and Deaver were in co-development with when I sold my Tundra. I think Jose on here has since ran with several variations and could provide some great feedback (if he hasn't already - I fully admit to not reading each post in this thread). I was not over the moon with my Fox shocks on my truck. They performed great but I was not happy with the overall fitment on the Tundra (where the reservoirs were mounted) and also the fact I had some lower coilover contact on my CV axle. I even thought they were valved a little on the soft side with no additional weight in the front of the Tundra when ordered out of the box. I'm not as active on the forums as I used to be but feel free to fire me any questions you might have and I will try to get back promptly. Glad to see the 1st Gen Tundra marketplace gaining more momentum.
Addison
I'd highly recommend a visit to Archive Garage if your looking for rear suspension options. I was running the earliest prototype Deaver leaf pack Eric (Archive Garage) and Deaver were in co-development with when I sold my Tundra. I think Jose on here has since ran with several variations and could provide some great feedback (if he hasn't already - I fully admit to not reading each post in this thread
). I was not over the moon with my Fox shocks on my truck. They performed great but I was not happy with the overall fitment on the Tundra (where the reservoirs were mounted) and also the fact I had some lower coilover contact on my CV axle. I even thought they were valved a little on the soft side with no additional weight in the front of the Tundra when ordered out of the box. I'm not as active on the forums as I used to be but feel free to fire me any questions you might have and I will try to get back promptly. Glad to see the 1st Gen Tundra marketplace gaining more momentum.Addison
Hey, thanks Addison. Yours was one of the builds that got me inspired. Maybe you can help with my rear shock selection? Right now I have Bilstein 5100's and am running the latest Archive/Deaver 10-pack. At full droop there is 29" between shock mounts, and my current shocks (from the old setup) are 24" fully extended. I have not measured at full compression yet, but I will soon.
I've kinda been eyeing the Icons, but really I'm not bombing over crazy terrain, just maybe ********************** on some desert washboard or negotiating some moderate trail terrain most of the time. Do you have any suggestions?
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I've kinda been eyeing the Icons, but really I'm not bombing over crazy terrain, just maybe ********************** on some desert washboard or negotiating some moderate trail terrain most of the time. Do you have any suggestions?
Tundra owner no more... but miss & loved my old one: The Legend of Doug
I'd highly recommend a visit to Archive Garage if your looking for rear suspension options. I was running the earliest prototype Deaver leaf pack Eric (Archive Garage) and Deaver were in co-development with when I sold my Tundra. I think Jose on here has since ran with several variations and could provide some great feedback (if he hasn't already - I fully admit to not reading each post in this thread
Addison
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High Country
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I called ALCAN yesterday as part of my research. $690 for the basic Leaf Pack, $10 per 100lbs of additional capacity. Figured I would add 600lbs to make up for the Canopy and Gear load. Gets me to an even $750 w/ $150 or so for S&H.Tundra owner no more... but miss & loved my old one: The Legend of Doug
I'd highly recommend a visit to Archive Garage if your looking for rear suspension options. I was running the earliest prototype Deaver leaf pack Eric (Archive Garage) and Deaver were in co-development with when I sold my Tundra. I think Jose on here has since ran with several variations and could provide some great feedback (if he hasn't already - I fully admit to not reading each post in this thread
Addison
Real close to the Archive Garage Deaver Leaf Pack. I would like to know more about the Deaver's as I keep reading stuff like "Most Deaver springs are not designed for heavy hauling and heavy towing." I am not doing "heavy hauling/towing", but would like to be able to tow a travel trailer now and then. Plan to call Deaver sometime this week and / or Eric at AG.
Debating going to a scale and doing some measurements of my truck after reading some of the Leaf Pack horror stories out there.....
@rickashay Like @Flyer69 I am wondering what a good shock / leaf set up package would look like. What rear shocks would you go with looking back?
toyotech
Expedition Leader
I called ALCAN yesterday as part of my research. $690 for the basic Leaf Pack, $10 per 100lbs of additional capacity. Figured I would add 600lbs to make up for the Canopy and Gear load. Gets me to an even $750 w/ $150 or so for S&H.Tundra owner no more... but miss & loved my old one: The Legend of Doug
I'd highly recommend a visit to Archive Garage if your looking for rear suspension options. I was running the earliest prototype Deaver leaf pack Eric (Archive Garage) and Deaver were in co-development with when I sold my Tundra. I think Jose on here has since ran with several variations and could provide some great feedback (if he hasn't already - I fully admit to not reading each post in this thread
Addison
Real close to the Archive Garage Deaver Leaf Pack. I would like to know more about the Deaver's as I keep reading stuff like "Most Deaver springs are not designed for heavy hauling and heavy towing." I am not doing "heavy hauling/towing", but would like to be able to tow a travel trailer now and then. Plan to call Deaver sometime this week and / or Eric at AG.
Debating going to a scale and doing some measurements of my truck after reading some of the Leaf Pack horror stories out there.....
@rickashay Like @Flyer69 I am wondering what a good shock / leaf set up package would look like. What rear shocks would you go with looking back?
Yes deavers are typical for pre runners and spring under set up.
Deaver also makes overland springs for tacomas that carry tons of weight. There was never an overland option for Tundra's till Eric at AG got together with deaver to produce a production overland spring for the tundra. I was lucky enough to help prototype the set that is currently available. I can tow about 3000lbs just fine with my AG overland springs. You still want to keep your tongue weight close to factory specs even with heavier capacity springs.
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High Country
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From what I have found the max towing capacity of my 2005 Tundra is 6800lbs for the DC model.
Been looking at a trailer that has a max towing rating of 5500 with a dry hitch weight of 455lbs (Unloaded weight of 4435lbs)
Thus my concern with the proper rear set up.. Somehow manage that, have decent performance on rough roads, and not jar me as my daily driver.....
Been looking at a trailer that has a max towing rating of 5500 with a dry hitch weight of 455lbs (Unloaded weight of 4435lbs)
Thus my concern with the proper rear set up.. Somehow manage that, have decent performance on rough roads, and not jar me as my daily driver.....
toyotech
Expedition Leader
Sounds like you'll have to comprises somewhere. Can't have a nice ride unloaded. Loaded. Towing capacity. Performance on and off road.
You'll have to pick what is important. With my current set up. I can run a topper. Heavy rear bumper. Rides great and performances well for on and off road. Plus I can tow.
Overland spring isn't recommend for a stock truck. The spring is built with the truck unloaded but with topper and heavy duty rear bumper with swing out on all the time. This is what is considered unloaded for these springs. Loaded would be all that current weight plus 500lbs
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