Gen3 Montero vs. Gen3 4Runner

vectorsc

Adventurer
A coworker has had all 3. His statement was that a properly setup gen was better in every way but the most awful offroading possible. Then a heavily modded go was better....and not by a lot.

As for aftermarket you can get more for the gen3 imho....Easy arb bumper, easy snorkel. Lifting on t bar cranking is good.

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PirateMcGee

Expedition Leader
A coworker has had all 3. His statement was that a properly setup gen was better in every way but the most awful offroading possible. Then a heavily modded go was better....and not by a lot.

As for aftermarket you can get more for the gen3 imho....Easy arb bumper, easy snorkel. Lifting on t bar cranking is good.

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vectorsc

Adventurer
Stupid spell check. Gen 3 = better for everything but the worst offroad. Gen2 heavily modded the best insane offroader.
 

Jaynen

Adventurer
The Gen 3 is amazingly well thought out. Looking underneath it you can tell they were very careful about placing things tucked up out of the way etc. I am really enjoying mine
 
Stupid spell check. Gen 3 = better for everything but the worst offroad. Gen2 heavily modded the best insane offroader.


I love Montero's but I would hesitate to call the Gen II an insane offroad vehicle. It is a decent offroad vehicle that is very solid, but it lacks several key components to take it to the next level. I would not put it in the same class as a Jeep or any other solid front axle vehicle when it comes to the rocks. The Gen II is most it home in overlanding, and expedition situations, much like the Gen III.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
I love Montero's but I would hesitate to call the Gen II an insane offroad vehicle. It is a decent offroad vehicle that is very solid, but it lacks several key components to take it to the next level. I would not put it in the same class as a Jeep or any other solid front axle vehicle when it comes to the rocks. The Gen II is most it home in overlanding, and expedition situations, much like the Gen III.
Define next level please?

I know I've seen cap510 take his where jeeps wouldnt/couldn't go. If you mean versus a rock buggy on 44's, then yes you're correct... but that's well beyond the next level IMHO. ;)
 
Define next level please?

I know I've seen cap510 take his where jeeps wouldnt/couldn't go. If you mean versus a rock buggy on 44's, then yes you're correct... but that's well beyond the next level IMHO. ;)


I think you hit the nail on the head. Most of JK's in my neighborhood are just as you described but some are riding on Dana 60's, not Dana 44's. It's just hard to compete with a JK on 39's with front and rear lockers, 4:1 tcase, highline fenders and swaybar disconnect. These rigs are all to common where I live and I see dozens everyday. They are beautiful rides and amazing rock buggies. The Montero is offroad capable but in a different way. The Montero was built for speed. That's why it was so successful in the Dakar Rally.
 

AutoXSS

Adventurer
I guess my next question, would a 3.8 be much better than the 3.5? I have an excursion for towing and don't really do much of that unless it involves moving equipment for our restaurant. Any gearing differences that would help in the mpg department?

Also, do all gen3 limited have LSD' s?
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
I think you hit the nail on the head. Most of JK's in my neighborhood are just as you described but some are riding on Dana 60's, not Dana 44's. It's just hard to compete with a JK on 39's with front and rear lockers, 4:1 tcase, highline fenders and swaybar disconnect. These rigs are all to common where I live and I see dozens everyday. They are beautiful rides and amazing rock buggies. The Montero is offroad capable but in a different way. The Montero was built for speed. That's why it was so successful in the Dakar Rally.

While 39's would likely require some body mods, the stock rear axle would likely handle them... Just not sure if the front axles would as not too many I know have done it.

There are 4.9:1 R&P's as well. Iirc Lloyd Schwartz in Albuquerque has installed Mitsu 4.9:1 R&P's in that stock 9.5" rear and 8.5"(?) front dif, 4:1 xcase, dual lockers, and 37'sn his SR.

However unlike rock buggies, his still works fine as a daily driver. Of course if you wanted to build a rock buggy by grafting in non-stock parts the way Jeeps do it, I don't see why you couldn't do that to...

ok, back to the thread at hand...
 
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SoCalMonty

Explorer
I think you hit the nail on the head. Most of JK's in my neighborhood are just as you described but some are riding on Dana 60's, not Dana 44's. It's just hard to compete with a JK on 39's with front and rear lockers, 4:1 tcase, highline fenders and swaybar disconnect. These rigs are all to common where I live and I see dozens everyday. They are beautiful rides and amazing rock buggies. The Montero is offroad capable but in a different way. The Montero was built for speed. That's why it was so successful in the Dakar Rally.

I agree with what you originally said.

The Montero, IMHO, is a fantastic "all-arounder." It can do a LOT of things very well, but there are other vehicles that because of their design or level of aftermarket support, can more easily "specialize" in rock crawling as compared to a Montero. Just from a design standpoint alone, the Montero being an IFS and LWB vehicle, relatively heavy, and having the lowest amount of rear axle ground clearance compared to it's competition - it's clearly not designed to be a rock crawler.

That's not to say that 2 or 3 people from the 'Wire can't build up very special Monteros that excel in rough terrain, but that's more the exception than the rule...and there are some compromises with those setups too (DD'ing 37's on a 4.9 rear end for example...sure, you can do it, but it's an absolute pig and the fuel mileage in stop and go would be about the same as an H1...lol).

I looooove the Montero for it's all around capability. The main drawbacks for me, when loaded down and on an off-road trip, are the lack of front end articulation (duh) and it feels under-powered when loaded. It also feels a bit heavy, especially when compared to something like an XJ Cherokee (which is about 1,350 lbs lighter than a Montero, and enjoys an amazing power/weight ratio as a result). But, these aren't terrible drawbacks. Every vehicle is a compromise, and I think the Montero does it better (the least amount of trade-offs) than most of the competition.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
That's not to say that 2 or 3 people from the 'Wire can't build up very special Monteros that excel in rough terrain, but that's more the exception than the rule...and there are some compromises with those setups too (DD'ing 37's on a 4.9 rear end for example...sure, you can do it, but it's an absolute pig and the fuel mileage in stop and go would be about the same as an H1...lol).
Just so we're crystal clear on just how hard it is to set up & run 37's on ANY stock 94-00 Montero with the rear locker....
- 4.90 r&p from a sport. $500-700 for a 3rd member & front diff housing + swap labor (weekend job)
- ARB front locker and air source $1300 plus install labor. The locker install is probably an extra hour with the front diff removed which you'll do anyway to install the 4.90's. The compressor install can be from an hour to two depending on where you install it.
- 3" body lift $150 or less for the kit plus install labor (weekend job)
- wheel well enlargement (BFH + cutting wheel) + 1-2hrs labor
- torsion bar crank +.25hrs labor
- Toyota Sequioa coil spring spacers $150 + 1hr labor
- 3.15:1 xcase gears from australia $1350 + shipping + swap labor (weekend job)

How much harder is that vs building up a jeep?

As for mileage I seriously doubt it will be any different from any other built rig so IMHO it's not a relevant point but for argument's sake my rig with 35's and the stock 4.63's gets 12-14mpg when loaded up for wheeling and 13-15mpg when it isn't. IIRC, cap510 isn't far behind with his 37's & 4.90's.
 
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nwoods

Expedition Leader
Fitting 37's and articulating them are two different things.

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Just so we're crystal clear on just how hard it is to set up & run 37's on ANY stock 94-00 Montero with the rear locker....
- 4.90 r&p from a sport. $500-700 for a 3rd member & front diff housing + swap labor (weekend job)
- ARB front locker and air source $1300 plus install labor. The locker install is probably an extra hour with the front diff removed which you'll do anyway to install the 4.90's. The compressor install can be from an hour to two depending on where you install it.
- 3" body lift $150 or less for the kit plus install labor (weekend job)
- wheel well enlargement (BFH + cutting wheel) + 1-2hrs labor
- torsion bar crank +.25hrs labor
- Toyota Sequioa coil spring spacers $150 + 1hr labor
- 3.15:1 xcase gears from australia $1350 + shipping + swap labor (weekend job)

How much harder is that vs building up a jeep?

As for mileage I seriously doubt it will be any different from any other built rig so IMHO it's not a relevant point but for argument's sake my rig with 35's and the stock 4.63's gets 12-14mpg when loaded up for wheeling and 13-15mpg when it isn't. IIRC, cap510 isn't far behind with his 37's & 4.90's.


I have no issue standing behind the Montero and letting people know what great offroad vehicles they are. That being said, I am not out to convince or mislead people into thinking that they are great rock crawlers because that is just not the case. The Montero is a very sure footed vehicle that performs well in most offroad situations, but seems to excel in high speed situations. If I were looking to add 37" tires to a rig I think a Montero would be at the bottom of my list and if some was looking for a rig to rock crawl I would steer them away from the Montero because I think there are better platforms on the market when it comes to building a crawler.

All that aside, the Montero is a fantastic platform for build an expedition style rig.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Montero's are also SAS-able. Many have done it as shown below.

IMHO rock buggies are no longer jeeps. But if you want to go that route there's no reason you can't use a Mitsu as many have...
 

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