GVW WOW!

FlyTime

New member
so, I mounted my 2008 Hallmark Guanella onto my new GMC 2500HD... GVR of 10,000, payload capacity estimated at ~ 2700lb...

Came in at 9900! each axle was measured separately, but this is what certified total indicated. I suppose I can remove the camper to see what truck weighs solo, but I cannot imagine the torklifts and bedmatt added that much weight!!:sombrero:

Camper water tank was empty too! no accessories outside of what came from the Hallmark factory...

Thoughts on this result? and no, my butt aint that big....
 

brian90744

American Trekker
I looked up factory spec on your model=Base Weight: 1,262 pounds. That seems very light, maybe add 400lbs for water/LP/food/ clothing and bedding, still light. Check the glove box on GVW.
do you have A/C on camper?? good luck=brian
 

FlyTime

New member
no AC. Yeah, I figured another 500 lb for the items you mention, thinking it would be ~1700 lb. seems its in at ~ 2500 lb.
 

bob91yj

Resident **************
From what I have seen over the years, claimed dry weight on campers of any model/manufacturer or GROSSLY under actual weight.

As Brian said, on GMC/Chevy models there is a sticker in the glove box listing manufacturer rating for a slide in camper. On my '06 2500 Dmax/crew cab/short bed 4x4, it's 1489 pounds.
 

Durango

Adventurer
If it makes you feel any better my wet FWC Hawk with full fuel tanks along with groceries and all the other crap we drag along came in at 100# OVER the GVWR rating on my 2012 Ram 2500! And the FWC models are supposed to be substantially lighter than most "standard" campers.

NOTE: This 100# over was even without the missus being on board. But I'm not going there!

My guess is most of us are flirting with or over the GVW of our vehicles. And I'm getting ready to mount a Hawk Flatbed which FWC says is 300# more than the slide-in model!
 

FlyTime

New member
slide in camper rating is 1580. so clearly I'm over that. I should have better researched this, while talking to dealer, they indicated payload rating was the way to go (2700, Hallmark said the GMC 2500 would carry the camper as if feeling nothing.... Ha! oh well.

what modifications would better suit the truck to the load? Heilwigs?
 

coguzzi

Adventurer
my FWC Hawk as weighed at the factory when it was shipped came in at 1245lb dry, no jacks and no battery installed. its a fairly loaded camper. figure another 50 or so lbs for the battery, lets just say 1300lbs dry. i had it on an 02 tundra access cab for a couple years which handled it fine, i never weighed it wet and full of all the **** i take along, but i know i was over GVWR with out a doubt. i take along a little honda CT110 on a hitch rack alot for exploring, ie--WAY over weight. truck didnt complain to much, air bags and add a leaf installed.

i just upgraded truck to a 15 Ram 2500 6.4L that has a 3080lb payload, night and day difference. drives smooth, dont down shift as much to climb hills (i live in CO), brakes better and gets better gas milage. i should go weight it loaded for a trip just to see, but highly doubt im over weight. and that was a deciding factor in choosing the new truck, wanted to be legal for border crossings (go to Canada some). i originally wanted a 15 power wagon, door sticker only claims 1330lb as payload--damnit, enter 2500
 

Umtaneum

Adventurer
I'm 200 over my GVWR on an F350, so don't feel bad. That's fully loaded and ready to go, though. In reality, it's 1000# less than my old hard side camper, with a lower center of gravity, and the truck handles BETTER with the weight than it does without. Air bags in the back will make your life a lot easier, along with upgraded tires and maybe helper springs or coil-overs.

I think most of us are running over what the manufacturer says we should be. When I'm hauling the big boat or the horse trailer, forget about it.
 

1stDeuce

Explorer
So, does the truck seem to handle it OK? I'm surely over GVW on my '06 too, but it doesn't seem to be a problem for the truck. I figure the axle is the same as the one under a dually with 1500lbs more GAWR, so it's about the springs mostly. I have airbags to get it off the overloads. Tires have plenty of capacity. Brakes too, and the brakes on the 11+ trucks are even better than the ones on my '06. Drive it like it's a loaded truck and not a racecar and it's no big deal. If it's on the overloads and doesn't ride well, try some Timbrens or Air Bags. No worries. :)
C
 

bob91yj

Resident **************
I'm too scared to run my set up across the scales.

There's an '05 Jeep LJ Rubicon parts/tools and supplies in the trailer, guessing it's well over the 9995#'s the trailer is rated for. The truck is an '06 GMC 2500 4x4 Duramax/Allison. The truck has a 6" RCD lift, with metric 35's (if I had it to do over again, I'd skip the lift, leveling kit, 285's and call it good), airbags on the rear axle.

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I usually flat tow the Jeep rather than stuffing it in the trailer.

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adam88

Explorer
Manufacturer GVWR's are usually a poor indicator of actual load capacity, especially when talking about 3/4 tons or 2500's. You can find the specs guide for your vehicle, but I know in my case my 2006 F250 is identical in every way to an F350 (because of the way my F250 was spec'd). So I use the GVWR for the F350 when I consider how much I can safely load onto my F250. However, legal may be another issue. But just because something is not legal doesn't mean it's not safe. Some 3/4 ton's may not be the same though, so everyone needs to look into it for themselves.
 

JHa6av8r

Adventurer
so, I mounted my 2008 Hallmark Guanella onto my new GMC 2500HD... GVR of 10,000, payload capacity estimated at ~ 2700lb...

Came in at 9900! each axle was measured separately, but this is what certified total indicated. I suppose I can remove the camper to see what truck weighs solo, but I cannot imagine the torklifts and bedmatt added that much weight!!:sombrero:

Camper water tank was empty too! no accessories outside of what came from the Hallmark factory...

Thoughts on this result? and no, my butt aint that big....

This is why I bought a 1 ton.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
Manufacturer GVWR's are usually a poor indicator of actual load capacity, especially when talking about 3/4 tons or 2500's. You can find the specs guide for your vehicle, but I know in my case my 2006 F250 is identical in every way to an F350 (because of the way my F250 was spec'd). So I use the GVWR for the F350 when I consider how much I can safely load onto my F250. However, legal may be another issue. But just because something is not legal doesn't mean it's not safe. Some 3/4 ton's may not be the same though, so everyone needs to look into it for themselves.

I'm very much in agreement with the above post and the others that share the debatable realities of GVWR (R="rating" as we all know) vs. actual GVW, GAWR, tire capacity, and other important factors. Each owner must decide what they are comfortable with regarding actual, real-world, rolling GVW. It's a good bet that many slide-in camper owners, even the popup style that are popular with backcountry travelers, are flirting with or over their GVWR depending on the truck and/or camper. Customers are arguably mislead, intentionally or not, by some manufactures listing the base, shell model starting camper weights. The built-out and heavily-optioned interiors add much weight.

Personally, as long as my rig is up to the task– tires, brakes, springs, driver, I'm very okay with being above the GVWR. Of course how much over matters, double is too much ;). When loaded for a long trip I tend to bring enough to be self-contained and self-supporting for a couple weeks or more, which means full water and extra water, fuel, food, an armored truck, etc., so I'm never light even in my utility vehicle with RTT.

Loaded like this for a big trip recently in May I was 11,200# heading out of town, which is 1,200 over the GVWR of 10,000 on my Ram, with very nice and balanced gross-axle-weights of 5,400 front and 5,800 rear [under the GAWRs and well below the capacity of my tires]. Not to be overly cavalier about the ratings, but manufacturers have reasons to keep ratings at or below certain numbers [commercial truck and marketing separations, liability, etc.,++] 9,999/10,000 being a big number to stay at/below on the lighter, heavy-duty trucks (2500/F-250).

New trucks get better and more capable all the time, and frankly I'm more concerned about the average-joe driver's ability to drive heavily loaded rigs [or trailers] than I am the machines. My expirence over the past year with my '14 Ram 2500, stock coil springs at each corner, is that it drives and handles extremely well, including real-world emergency braking and avoidance tests with cows and deer on the roadway at night. The OE tires and brakes are far superior with more capacity than the '96 F-350 I sold after buying the '14 Ram.

In the end, Hallmark was probably correct, your G.M. 2500 will likely handle the camper well/fine...but your GVWR is a different matter. Enjoy your new camper! :)
 

haven

Expedition Leader
Tire capacity is a concern when your camper approachs the manufacturer's GVWR. This is especially true for ExPo drivers, who are more likely than most to find themselves in this sort of situation

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The tire on the downhill side carries a lot more weight than the tire does when on a level surface.

This photo is part of an article about driving the Land Rover course at Overland Expo a couple of years ago
http://www.truckcampermagazine.com/...campers-tackle-the-off-road-land-rover-course
 

1stDeuce

Explorer
^^ That's a good point to watch tire capacity, but the photo scenario is fairly moot. Tire ratings are dynamic, and related to heat and speed. Low speed, or static loading is generally not a concern, as most tires will handle MANY times the rated load for short terms, like bumps, and driving slow as pictured. Now if you were to drive on a 20% slope at 70mph for miles, then it would be a consideration! :)

That's a fairly cool picture though!! :)
 

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