Help with new rig decision

Clutch

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...single anecdotal data point.
Why of course!

I keep on telling him to buy a Toyota but he won’t listen. Tranny failed at 80K with his last one. Bought brand new too.

His wife likes VW’s.... never fails, they get about 2 years to into one something major goes wrong. And they trade it in for another. Just buy a Camry for cripes sake!
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Why of course!

I keep on telling him to buy a Toyota but he won’t listen. Tranny failed at 80K with his last one. Bought brand new too.

His wife likes VW’s.... never fails, they get about 2 years to into one something major goes wrong. And they trade it in for another. Just buy a Camry for cripes sake!
I have a buddy who's gone through 4 Jeeps in span of my 1 truck. Technically it's 2, he owned the 4th concurrent with me getting my Taco, but my 1991 is still on the road so I count it since it was a huge mistake selling it.

So I'm not saying generalizations and stereotypes don't derive from some basis in fact. But our single data points aren't much real value individually.
 

Clutch

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But our single data points aren't much real value individually.

No they are not. Every vehicle and owner will be different.

I would really like to try a different brand, but after seeing what my buddies go through. My gut says, stay with Toyota. That is even thinking the new ones aren’t as good as the old ones.

Which is pure speculation, you really won’t know if your particular vechicle is any good or not until after you put some years and miles on it.

Mine didn’t start giving my trouble until the 250K mark. Sure I have made repairs over the years, it is getting ready to roll 390K, and still feels very tight, and not clapped out.

I mean, gee-bus...almost 400K on it. Still going strong. Hard to argue with that.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
I mean, gee-bus...almost 400K on it. Still going strong. Hard to argue with that.
And Toyota is banking on your experience selling a new one. Maybe a new one will last that long but my gut says no. Then again I wouldn't have assumed a 1st gen Tacoma would last as long as an older truck either and they do. At least a few. There's plenty of older trucks still running around, beat to hell, and fewer 1st gens. So you probably just have a survivor. Built on a Wednesday when no one was on vacation.

So I dunno, maybe I'm hyper sensitive. I just don't get a warm and fuzzy with my 2008, which isn't old or clapped out (and trust me, when I was shopping I saw plenty of them). I'm OCD about wrenching on it, too. It just seems less soundly built, more rattling, creaking and groaning. And my old truck wasn't exactly quiet, there were broken body seams, she was wearing out.

When I fix things I notice more clips than screws now. I think it's that sort of thing that bugs me. I pull a dash panel to add a switch, just two screws and a bunch of snapped plastic tabs on the floor.
 
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bkg

Explorer
More like a Thai Elephant to an African Elephant... :D
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One of my buddies has had 3 Rams and one Chevy since I have known him these past 10 years, and I am still driving the same Toyota. So there is that...

That doesn’t mean anything more than you are a cheap bastard. ????
 

Marine

Adventurer
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No they are not. Every vehicle and owner will be different.

I would really like to try a different brand, but after seeing what my buddies go through. My gut says, stay with Toyota. That is even thinking the new ones aren’t as good as the old ones.

Which is pure speculation, you really won’t know if your particular vechicle is any good or not until after you put some years and miles on it.

Mine didn’t start giving my trouble until the 250K mark. Sure I have made repairs over the years, it is getting ready to roll 390K, and still feels very tight, and not clapped out.

I mean, gee-bus...almost 400K on it. Still going strong. Hard to argue with that.

Not to high jack the thread but 400k? Maybe I should start looking at Toyota for my next vehicle.
 

Clutch

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Not to high jack the thread but 400k? Maybe I should start looking at Toyota for my next vehicle.
Getting close, will be at 390K in about 2 weeks. Original engine, trans, transfer case.

At about 250K I had to start throwing parts at it. Steering rack, cv’s, ball joints, rebuild the driveshaft, etc...original clutch went to 285K, fuel pump at 345K iirc. Pretty dang good in my book.

While I don’t beat on it, I don’t baby it either. Have gone through 3 spring packs already. Probably should replace the OME Dakar Heavies I have in there now, they are starting to sag.
 

tacollie

Glamper
And Toyota is banking on your experience selling a new one. Maybe a new one will last that long but my gut says no. Then again I wouldn't have assumed a 1st gen Tacoma would last as long as an older truck either and they do. At least a few. There's plenty of older trucks still running around, beat to hell, and fewer 1st gens. So you probably just have a survivor. Built on a Wednesday when no one was on vacation.

So I dunno, maybe I'm hyper sensitive. I just don't get a warm and fuzzy with my 2008, which isn't old or clapped out (and trust me, when I was shopping I saw plenty of them). I'm OCD about wrenching on it, too. It just seems less soundly built, more rattling, creaking and groaning. And my old truck wasn't exactly quiet, there were broken body seams, she was wearing out.

When I fix things I notice more clips than screws now. I think it's that sort of thing that bugs me. I pull a dash panel to add a switch, just two screws and a bunch of snapped plastic tabs on the floor.

All that plastic is what makes all the noise. The winter roads have my dakars making so much noise I can't hear it right now ?

In a side note I said the OP should get the PW about I would get a Tundra. It feels more like a Toyota to me. Toyotas are still solid trucks.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
All that plastic is what makes all the noise. The winter roads have my dakars making so much noise I can't hear it right now ?
I've always fought with squeaky leaf springs, I find that amusing about new pickup owners over on TW, every once in a while you just gotta disassemble the pack, clean the rust and re-grease. I am, though, annoyed by it on my front suspension and in particular the upper arms and their poly bushings. I've been desensitized to it I guess on the rear suspension but when they start making noise right behind the floor board it's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

And plastic crap. Ugh. I have one cold weather noise that only occurs after the truck is warmed for a while (seems to be due to the temperature gradient between inside and out). It's right at the base of the 'A'-pillar that may be the cowl vent or the upper corner of the dash pad itself and just taunts me.

This summer I'm biting the bullet and tearing my dash to the firewall to replace foam seals, snap clips and expanding screw inserts. That f'n interior is gonna tighten up and be nice & quiet if it kills me. I did that in my 1991. It helped quite a bit. As did snugging down the wiring harness behind the dash, I heard a vaguely metallic tapping/scraping that appeared to be the harness vibrating against the structure back there. There was a big bar that ran across under the dash with a major wire bundle held to it with clips. About a dozen zip ties did the trick... I bet there's a similar improvement to be found in my Taco.
 

Clutch

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That doesn’t mean anything more than you are a cheap bastard. ????

True!

When I met him he had a 2WD 2500 diesel, never been off-road. Trans went out at 80K. It did pull a TT...but still trans out at only 80K?

Then bought a 1/2 ton Chevy, had that for about 6 months. He was extracting a bike from a DS ride...broke the front suspension on it. What exact part I can't remember. He deemed it weak, and ditch it.

Then went to a 1/2 ton Ram, had that for 2 years...it got some weird electrical gremlins that the dealer couldn't fix. Off it went.

Now he is in a Ram 2500 4WD gas.

Years ago we were doing a roll chart in my truck for a Dual Sport ride, he was impressed where I could fit my truck and would go through stuff effortlessly. Some spots would of given a full-size trouble, he says to me, "I need to get one of these" but he never did.


That said, I wouldn't mind a Ram 2500, but don't think I would want to own it beyond 100-150K.
 
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Dalko43

Explorer
Also don't necessarily need to upgrade a PW to have a better, "stronger," more capable truck.

The entire comparison is foolish. Apples to Elephants.


I agree, but the OP is considering both trucks (PW and Tundra) so they do have to be compared for this discussion.

OP contends that he'll likely spend upwards of $15k to make the Tundra capable, if he were to choose that vehicle. That's baloney; the Tundra is capable enough in stock form to do 95% of what the average weekend warrior would want. If the OP wanted comparable mechanical traction aids (front and rear lockers), he's looking at spending ~$2.5k in parts + another $400-$500 in labor....you don't need to drop major $ in order to make a Tunrda "capable."

If the OP wants to spend every bit of $15k-$20k installing bumpers, lower gearing, sliders, a high-end Icon kit, and the rest of the parts catalog on his Tundra, that's fine. But most of those aren't stock components for the PW either, so it makes no sense to count their cost towards the Tundra but exclude it from the PW. That's a skewed cost analysis.
 
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jgallo1

Adventurer
I agree that toyota's are extremely reliable and known for lasting for ever, (as long as they dont rust out) but honestly what truck that is 20-30 yrs old and been heavily used and abused doesn't rust? I will say this, I have seen numerous fords and dodges run for 250k+ with basic maintenance. My first truck was a family members hand me down ranch truck, it was a 79 f100 with about 180k on it, I drove it until it had 300k on it. The only thing I ever did was change the oil and basic maintenance, sold it for 1500 bucks. My next truck was 2000 tacoma, i bought it with 100k drove until it had 260, I put a timing belt in this truck and again just basic maintenance. Since then I have owned a few land cruisers, if you count my wifes truck's you can throw in a 4 runner. My 80 series was a headache, always needed fixing. Nothing too major just little stuff but constant, similiar to an old 70,s iron head I owned. I sold it and bought a FJ60, now that truck raddled like crazy but nothing ever seemed to go wrong. My wifes 2006 4runner, went to ******** at 125k. She bought it with 20k on it We just sold it with 200k. We just bought her a 2016 4runner with 25k on it. Between 125 and 200k, it was full of problems, alternator, trans, differential, cv, all the seals went and the back door filled with water, that was a pain to find and have color matched. A good buddy has a 2001 tacoma original owner, motor blew up at 118k. His wifes VW diesel gulf has 350k on it with no issues. There are so many stories like this. I think the main thing is that companies have good yrs and bad yrs. To do the research. I will agrees for the most part toyota is really solid.

My reasoning for even thinking about the PW, is wanting a full size. I need the truck for work. The tacoma just does not cut it. Sure two trucks would the way to go, but again it is easier to just have 1 at the moment. Thats how I arrived to the PW and Tundra. The tundra is a great truck, it can town and has very similiar payload to the PW. I am looking a tradesmen PW, so my payload is higher.

I agree with @Dalko43 you dont need all the fancy stuff. Here is my reasoning, I am meticulous by nature. I have never owned icon but the one time fee seems attractive. I have owned countless sets of OME, and they do need to be replaced every few years in my experience. Bumpers, well thats just aesthetics. I just like the arb bumpers, I think they look good and are well made. Alot of the other bumpers, make the trucks look like they were cast in some hollywood super hero movie, just not my style. Sliders do come in handy and are usually cheaper then repair with out them. I usually just like to do something right from the start, it might cost more or take more time, but in the end it always works out to the best option, IMO.
 

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