Help with new rig decision

[Dalko43]

Depends on how you define comparable..

in the end, the Tundra is still a 1/2 ton truck, compared to a 3/4 ton truck
Tundra is IFS front, Leaf rear... PW is coil/solid axle all the way around
PW has front and rear lockers and disconnecting sway bar
PW has more storage (access to rear seats)

To address those 4 deltas alone could be more than $20K to remedy... and then you're dealing with a highly modified Tundra... and that impacts reliability and warranty.

Comparable, in my mind, means front and rear lockers, winch and moderate (1-1.5") suspension lift using some basic OME or Bilstein components (which is comparable to what the stock PW comes with). IFS is a fundamental design difference with the Tundra; I don't see a point in trying to change that.

Front and rear lockers ~$2.2k
Air compressor ~$300-$500 (depending on the model)
OME suspension lift ~$1800
Warn VR 10k lb winch ~$800
Winch mount ~$500

~$5.8k in parts (give or take a few hundred $). Someone else can do the math on the additional labor costs (though some of that stuff would be fairly easy DIY). We can sit here and pretend that you need to throw the whole catalog and the most expensive parts at a 4x4 pickup in order to make it capable. But the bottom line is you can make a Tundra into a decent offroader for much less than the $15k-$20k that was being thrown around.

But if the OP wants the PW, he should get the PW.

 

[Clutch]

The current get PW does better on gas. The previous ones did not. A lot of people run Rams because they are cheaper. I don't think they are the best truck on the market but they are pretty good at this point and you get a lot for your money. Personally I would get a F250.

Think the difference in fuel consumption between the Tundy and PW is prolly splitting hairs.

Reliability... guessing isn't too much of an issue either...seems like the majority of people get rid of their vehicles before they need to start tossing a bunch of money at it. Most of my buds are constantly trading in their trucks. While they make fun of me still driving my old beater..."you still have that thing!?"..."yep, going on 17 years now..."

That would be a good question for the OP @jgallo1, how long do you plan on keeping it?

 

[rruff]

Reliability... guessing isn't too much of an issue either...seems like the majority of people get rid of their vehicles before they need to start tossing a bunch of money at it.

That reminds me of something else. When I was looking at F150s the difference in depreciation after 5 years was ~$5k in favor of the Tundra. Even if you are planning to trade after a few years, that's something to consider.

OME suspension lift ~$1800

A set of 4 Bilstein 5100s for the Tundra (adjustable front lift) are only ~$450. I think this is comparable to what the PW has.

 

[jgallo1]

Think the difference in fuel consumption between the Tundy and PW is prolly splitting hairs.

Reliability... guessing isn't too much of an issue either...seems like the majority of people get rid of their vehicles before they need to start tossing a bunch of money at it. Most of my buds are constantly trading in their trucks. While they make fun of me still driving my old beater..."you still have that thing!?"..."yep, going on 17 years now..."

That would be a good question for the OP @jgallo1, how long do you plan on keeping it?

Honestly awhile, but hard to answer, I have been alittle schizophrenic with trucks the last 2 years. It all stared when some guy in CA offered me double my money for my land cruiser. Then I had some cash sitting in pocket and it has slowly spiraled out of control from there ha ha. I am looking for a truck that will last, do the DD routine and then be a capable rig. That doesn't really answer the question, my hope is min. 5+ years

 

[jgallo1]

Comparable, in my mind, means front and rear lockers, winch and moderate (1-1.5") suspension lift using some basic OME or Bilstein components (which is comparable to what the stock PW comes with). IFS is a fundamental design difference with the Tundra; I don't see a point in trying to change that.

Front and rear lockers ~$2.2k
Air compressor ~$300-$500 (depending on the model)
OME suspension lift ~$1800
Warn VR 10k lb winch ~$800
Winch mount ~$500

~$5.8k in parts (give or take a few hundred $). Someone else can do the math on the additional labor costs (though some of that stuff would be fairly easy DIY). We can sit here and pretend that you need to throw the whole catalog and the most expensive parts at a 4x4 pickup in order to make it capable. But the bottom line is you can make a Tundra into a decent offroader for much less than the $15k-$20k that was being thrown around.

But if the OP wants the PW, he should get the PW.

You must have a greats parts source here is my quote on those parts

front / rear/ gears- 3k
air compressor- 500
ome tundra kit- 1500 / icon kit-3000
bumper (choose your brand)- 1600-2k
warn 10k winch synthetic- 1300
17' wheels- 500-1200 (depends on brand )
5 tires (1500) installed
some of the work I can do myself, but some I cant.

I realize with a PW, I will not get as good of bumper, unless I go aftermarket. I also realize I will need to buy tires.

 

[Clutch]

I realize with a PW, I will not get as good of bumper, unless I go aftermarket. I also realize I will need to buy tires.

Does it have to be a full on PW? Can you save some money buying a base model and doing some minor mods?

Would think a rear locker and a winch would be more than enough.

 

[Clutch]

That reminds me of something else. When I was looking at F150s the difference in depreciation after 5 years was ~$5k in favor of the Tundra. Even if you are planning to trade after a few years, that's something to consider.

F150's seem like they are a dime a dozen. What is the resale on PW's? Seems like when they come up for sale on the used market they are gone pretty quick. While this forum is a very small slice of the truck market. Seems like more and more threads are popping up people jumping the Toyota ship and buying a PW.

 

[jgallo1]

Does it have to be a full on PW? Can you save some money buying a base model and doing some minor mods?

Would think a rear locker and a winch would be more than enough.

I am looking at 16 tradesmen with the PW package and 30k miles. It has a really good price on it. As much (probably alittle less ) than I would pay for a tundra in the age and mile range

 

[Clutch]

I am looking at 16 tradesmen with the PW package and 30k miles. It has a really good price on it. As much (probably alittle less ) than I would pay for a tundra in the age and mile range

Gotcha.

Honestly awhile, but hard to answer, I have been alittle schizophrenic with trucks the last 2 years. It all stared when some guy in CA offered me double my money for my land cruiser. Then I had some cash sitting in pocket and it has slowly spiraled out of control from there ha ha. I am looking for a truck that will last, do the DD routine and then be a capable rig. That doesn't really answer the question, my hope is min. 5+ years

Oh, I should add to the question. How many miles do you drive a year?

 

[jgallo1]

Gotcha.



Oh, I should add to the question. How many miles do you drive a year?

some years high and and some years low 20's

 

[Clutch]

some years high and and some years low 20's

So the truck will have about 150K on it when you're ready to move on. In this day and age shouldn't worry too much about reliability then.

 

[Dalko43]

You must have a greats parts source here is my quote on those parts

front / rear/ gears- 3k
air compressor- 500
ome tundra kit- 1500 / icon kit-3000
bumper (choose your brand)- 1600-2k
warn 10k winch synthetic- 1300
17' wheels- 500-1200 (depends on brand )
5 tires (1500) installed
some of the work I can do myself, but some I cant.

I realize with a PW, I will not get as good of bumper, unless I go aftermarket. I also realize I will need to buy tires.

I think the reason for the discrepancy between your parts cost and mine, is that you're either going with top-quality stuff or picking components that would be applicable to the PW also (bumper, re-gear).

You don't need to break the bank with parts for a Tundra. You don't need an expensive aftermarket bumper to mount a winch, you don't need a pricey icon kit, and you don't need to regear the Tundra (if you keep the tire size and lift height reasonable).

The Tundra's 4:30 gearing is already very low compared to the rest of the 1/2 tons, and even some 3/4 tons.

 

[bkg]

I think the reason for the discrepancy between your parts cost and mine, is that you're either going with top-quality stuff or picking components that would be applicable to the PW also (bumper, re-gear).

You don't need to break the bank with parts for a Tundra. You don't need an expensive aftermarket bumper to mount a winch, you don't need a pricey icon kit, and you don't need to regear the Tundra (if you keep the tire size and lift height reasonable).

The Tundra's 4:30 gearing is already very low compared to the rest of the 1/2 tons, and even some 3/4 tons.

Also don't necessarily need to upgrade a PW to have a better, "stronger," more capable truck.

The entire comparison is foolish. Apples to Elephants.

 

[Clutch]

Also don't necessarily need to upgrade a PW to have a better, "stronger," more capable truck.

The entire comparison is foolish. Apples to Elephants.

More like a Thai Elephant to an African Elephant...


I can see jgallo concerns though. While I think the PW will be fine, but hard going from known reliability to unknown.

One of my buddies has had 3 Rams and one Chevy since I have known him these past 10 years, and I am still driving the same Toyota. So there is that...

 

[DaveInDenver]

So there is that...

...single anecdotal data point.