Help with rear springs, please?

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
I don't know that I do, I'm repeating what I *think* I was told some years ago by Eric @ Deaver Spring.

FWIW the longer shackle will travel in a smaller arc than a shorter shackle would. How this is significant is that the shackles need to be arranged so that they do not go over-center in their normal motion. Which means that the spring eye end of the shackle that has a motion component in the vertical plane. That effectively serves to reduce the spring rate.

Say 100 lbs-in spring sees 100 lbs load, but say the spring eye end of the shackle also moves up 1/4" If a centered spring pin then the suspension compressed 1.125" for that 100 lbs load. That makes it an 88.9 lbs-in effective spring rate at that point in the range of travel. As the suspension compresses more, the vertical motion component increases, so this effect is a non-linear falling spring rate which may or may not be offset by the spring's rising rate (if present).

The longer the shackle, the less of this phenomenon.
Probably splitting hairs, but worth mentioning for future ref.
 

SEREvince

Adventurer
Wow!

I appreciate all the info, but I think I might understand about 50% of what's in here.

My concerns with spring/shackle length:

Does the increase in spring length improve the handling or load carrying characteristics of the spring?

How does shackle length affect the handling or load carrying characteristics of the vehicle?

Thanks

Vince
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
Spring length is related more to suppleness than load carrying capacity.

A long, unsupported or unbraced shackle will allow lateral dislocation of the rear axle. Should have no effect on load carrying capacity beyond whatever marginal spring rate reduction it might cause due to the change in the arc swung.

Said differently, a long shackle will, if anything, slightly increase the effective spring rate which would slightly increase the load carrying ability at the possible cost of lateral stability depending on how much longer and how suseptable to parallelograming it is.
 

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