Hierarchy of hard sided campers that handle the snow/winter?

rruff

Explorer
Here is a data point from our composite panel camper. During our winter travels, the Webasto ThermoTop burns around a litre of fuel every 2 1/2 hours.
It would be interesting if you can convert that to an average W/F of heat supplied. That's Fahrenheit between indoor and outdoor temperature. I think our campers are fairly comparable in size. Mine is ~13 W/F in testing (For instance a 50F delta T, would be 650W) after saturating for 3 days, and it was 18 W/F the first day. That's with no one in it, BTW. Body heat can help a lot if the insulation is good!
 
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JSKepler

New member
Greetings. New on this forum. Based in Northern Utah. Hoping to buy/build a rig that I can use for winter camping and accessing backcountry and crosscountry trailheads. And, of course, the other three seasons. With family in Arizona I'll want to stay cool as well as warm and insulation accomplishes both. I'm new to 'RV'ing' but I have as much desire to stay in an RV park as I do to be hospitalized. I see now that I'm more interested in overlanding, something I already do on motorcycles.

My current vehicle is a 2004 Ford F350 Super Duty Crew Cab 4x4 ShortBox with the 6.0 liter diesel. My hope is (was) to 'get' a '4-season' camper and put it in the bed. However, I tend to research stuff before making a move (maybe I could have researched that 6.0 better 😁) and am finding 4-Season might not mean 4-season.

At the moment I'm looking at a 2018 Lance 825 and a 2018 Northern Lite 8-11. Both are in great shape. Both claim 4-season. They have overlapping and different features. My 'research' says the Northern Lite is a much better unit than the Lance. It's also overweight for my F350. Seems to be overweight for everyone else's, too. The Lance, btw, is right there in the payload sweet spot. NL has a cassette toilet. 825 doesn't have a stove. Etc.

Then, I find this forum and it seems the general consensus is that the pre-built 4-season units have a long way to go to be true 4-season. What's worse, most of the arguments make sense and come with numbers that also make sense. Maybe it's like I discovered with motorcycles: you have to buy one (sometimes two, three, or more) to know which one you actually want. I ride a GS now and do BDRs as well as a Husky 501 for trails and such. And BDRs. Also thinking a good camper will extend my riding while simultaneously destroying my marriage ;).

Does it make sense to buy a pretty nice camper to learn about all this, then sell and build one? I'd go with an old beater like @IdaSHO did but I really want my wife to enjoy it and she's not going to enjoy a smelly old beater. The smell alone would be the end of that project. But not being familiar with RVs, I really don't know how to choose or if I'd be better off just waiting. The NL is a better design and larger. The Lance would be more nimble. The NL is overweight on my truck. The Lance doesn't have a basement. The gedankenexperiment goes on. I don't plan on epic journeys (yet) but it is cold in the mountains in the winter and I would like to have heat and water. Not getting any younger. Just kind of spinning my wheels right now.
 
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B^2

Observer
Another thing to keep in mind is your version of winter could be a lot different than mine. In lake tahoe it doesn't get the same kind of cold that it would get if I was still going up to Northern Vermont. Good thoughts none the less.
 

gator70

Active member
We have many TotalComposites camper owners that sold their mass produced “4 season” campers. Condensation that turns into mould, cold walls/floors, unusable water lines in cold temps are reasons for them to switch.
Key features to ask when selecting a cold weather camper:
- Thermal transfer free construction
- High R value insulation (do your research on insulation material)
- Double pane windows/ insulated doors
- Proper ventilation between seat cushion and bed mattress! You do not want to trap cold air that will then condensate in hidden spots
- Diesel heater . Skip the thermostat function and rather have it run 24/7 on high than low temp and on/off. This will kill your diesel heater in no time.
- All waterlines/tanks inside the heated space
- Forget pop up campers in cold temps. The condensation will drive you crazy
- Ask for proof of “thermal efficiency“ . Thermal images or talking to owners/users will Confirm the claims.

At the end it comes down to your budged, your travel needs, available truck and overall Personal preferences.

Good luck!


My new habit has 55mm composite walls and ceiling. I'm trying to understand the heat retention. The heater is a propane based Truma.

To the best of my knowledge is is a four seasons design with all water tanks and plumbing inside the composite container.

I have dual pane windows.
 

rruff

Explorer
Do you know what it weighs? Has it been rebuilt?

I found a photo of one on a Tacoma...

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