HJ45 Engine Issues

048642

Adventurer
My 1980 HJ45 suffers from overheating at highway speeds only, around town it runs fine, starts easily, runs smooth, no smoke. But at 55-60MPH it gets compression into the coolant jacket resulting in the expected overpressurization. Eventually I was able to find a headgasket leak towards the fire wall. I decided to replace the headgasket and check the head for trueness and cracking. So into the shop it went.:Mechanic:

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All the parts came off happily with ease and the project was running smoothly. As I removed the headbolts I checked the torque on them. (before you all chastise me I have already been lectured by a mechanic telling me not to use a torque wrench for removal), that being said all bolt were in the 90-115 ft/lbs range to break them free with the exception of a cluster of three towards the firewall that were down around 60ft/lbs. It seemed to me that I had found the source of my leaking compression. Unfortunately the final step in removing the head was not as smooth as I would have desired. Once all bolts were removed the head was attached to the lift and tension placed on it.

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..nothing budged...I gave it another crank on the lift and I could see the head begin to break free from the block. Telltale coolant beads forming all around the outer edge. I took a break leaving tension on the hoist and started up the usaul BS'ing conversation with a friend in the shop. A minute or so into the conversaion the head popped off the block with more force than desired. As it came up it hit the overhang at the fire wall scaring the life out of us, but otherwise did not seem to do any damage.

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After a few moments of looking things over I realised that as the head lifted off and hit the overhang on the firewall it shifted a link on the chain hoist resulting in a downward angle and made contact with the fire ring on the number 4 cylinder sleave.

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The head was found to be true, but has cracks between the intake and exhaust valve in each cylinder. The cracks are only visible under magnafluxing. I am not a mechanic, but it does not seem to me that these cracks were the source of my overheating.

Though at this point it seems like the head issues are the least of my problems. Anyone on the list care to give me some guidance on next steps? I assume I need to remove the sleave and replace it.
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Sorry won't be much help here as I have no knowledge really of the H engines; I didn't even know the H was sleeved. How hard is it to source an H head?

:lurk:
 

048642

Adventurer
Thanks. I cross posted this thread on IH8MUD as well.

As for sourcing of the heads, Specter Off-Road can get them with a fairly long lead time unless they have one in stock.
 

ianfotheringham

New member
i dont know so much about hj45s....but my fj45 had a similar overheating problem at speed when i was forced to disconnect and bypass the oil cooler due to a broken cooler hose on the road a little while ago...i can see from the upper pic of your thermostat cover that you dont have an oil cooler tho...so therefore you shouldn't have that problem...but if you're only overheating at sped - then it could be related to oil adding to the temp...maybe an aftermarket cooler might help?....
 

Grease Cruiser

Adventurer
If it were my truck, I would not dump a lot of money into the H diesel. If it's an easy fix, then button it back up and go for it. But, if you are going to spend some money on machining and rebuild, I'd spend the money elsewhere.

The H diesel is a good engine but pretty antiquated at this point. Find a good 2H or better yet a 1HZ or a 1HDT and upgrade.

Just my $.02 worth and I hope it's an easy fix. Good luck.
 

mtnbike28

Expedition Leader
Raditor?

Again apples to oranges, but my FJ40 had the same symptoms, fine around town and over heating on the highway... it ended up being a bad radiator... good luck.
 

24HOURSOFNEVADA

Expedition Leader
Ouch. I'm sorry for that. I have an "H" and it runs great at highway speeds, albeit slow.


These motors were used in Toyota forklifts here in the states. I called my local forklift dealer in Sparks NV and he told me that he would probably be able to get me a rebuilt long block if I gave him the block numbers. They should be able to get parts if they can get long blocks.

Have you tried that option before Specter?
 
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MoGas

Central Scrutinizer
If it were mine:

Find another head

Pop the pan, pull that connecting rod and piston assembly out the top, order a new sleeve and ring set for that cylinder. Depending on the compression before disassembly (you did that, right?) and the visible condition of the other cylinders, I would possibly re-ring all the cylinders, or re sleeve any suspect ones. I would also replace all the connecting rod bearings while I was in there.

Get a new radiator or get yours rodded, Replace the water pump and fan clutch.



I'm sure the crack was the result of the overheat condition and not the cause.



I wish you were closer, I'd come lend you a hand.


Dave
 

048642

Adventurer
ianfotheringham:

Thanks for the suggestions; once the whole situation is resolved I'll look into the oil cooler options.

Greaser Cruiser:

I agree with the engine change, but funds don't allow at this time. Repairs to this one, would really be only to tie me over until funds available for full replacement. I recently saw that Proffitt's Cruisers did a replacement with a Cummins 3.3. Seems very interesting, my preference is to stick to original manual transmission or a five speed manual.

mtnbike28:

Clogged up radiator may definitely be part of the problem, though I did not see much sediment when I drained it. I will certainly pull it and get it flushed and rodded prior to project completion.

24HOURSOFNEVADA:

I've looked into the forklift repair shop route out here in the Bay area, not much luck they indicated that they could probably get rebuild kits, which I can get from Specter or Roodogs. The forklift repair shop I spoke to said that yes the engine was used in the forklift, but not in very large quantities.

MoGas:

I wish I’d done a compression test prior to disassembly, other cylinders look good though, so does the damaged one for that matter. Any way to tell if and engine has already been rebuilt? I was already planning on replacing the water pump, had not thought of the fan clutch thanks for the suggestion. It would be nice to have someone knowledgeable close by for guidance and moral support.

All,

Thanks for all the input; I look forward to seeing more as it comes in.
 

Grease Cruiser

Adventurer
.......

Greaser Cruiser:

I agree with the engine change, but funds don't allow at this time. Repairs to this one, would really be only to tie me over until funds available for full replacement. I recently saw that Proffitt's Cruisers did a replacement with a Cummins 3.3. Seems very interesting, my preference is to stick to original manual transmission or a five speed manual.


I may have had something to do with that Cummins B3.3 :sombrero:
It's definitely a great engine and we have a few more of the 3.3 swaps lined up for this summer.

The H is not a bad engine. I think you are on the right track by putting it back together and running it for awhile. Maybe later on down the road you can have something else installed.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 

chet

island Explorer
is the 2h head the same? if so you should be able to get one from canada easy enough. maybe even a complete 2h motor. or call Raddcruisers or GS cruisers and get a complete 12HT awesome motor.
 

048642

Adventurer
is the 2h head the same? if so you should be able to get one from canada easy enough. maybe even a complete 2h motor. or call Raddcruisers or GS cruisers and get a complete 12HT awesome motor.

The two heads are not the same as far as I can tell. Thanks for the info on other engine options.
 

048642

Adventurer
Grease Cruiser,

Any chance you've looked into the Cummins QSB3.3 seems like a pretty nice version, I expect the cost is much higher?
 

MoGas

Central Scrutinizer
ianfotheringham:

MoGas:

I wish I’d done a compression test prior to disassembly, other cylinders look good though, so does the damaged one for that matter. Any way to tell if and engine has already been rebuilt? I was already planning on replacing the water pump, had not thought of the fan clutch thanks for the suggestion. It would be nice to have someone knowledgeable close by for guidance and moral support.

It would be tough to tell as the whole cylinder can be easily replaced, so it's not like a cast in block cylinder where you can easily tell if it has oversize pistons. You could pull a main and rod cap and see if there are under size bearings in it.

Being a Toyota, If there are < 480,000 Kilometers on it, I doubt it has had a rebuild.

Dave
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
Grease Cruiser,

Any chance you've looked into the Cummins QSB3.3 seems like a pretty nice version, I expect the cost is much higher?

QSB and ISB are basically the same engine just different versions for different applications. ISB is designed for on the road so it is the best ap.
 

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