How capable is a 60 or 80?

[ChuckB]

...but that's before the 70 gets a turbo and a/c! :coffeedrink:

-H-

just keep rubbin' it in...:sombrero:

 

[mickey_rubicon]

I have two 80 series and a TJ in the driveway now for at least 3 years, not one of them tried eating the other alive. Using both vehicles on the same trails, I prefer the 80 series in almost every situation over the TJ. If the 80 came with a soft top from factory I might have never bought a TJ.

Comparing modified rigs and saying one is better than the other is a ridiculous argument. Once modified, the capability of any vehicle is the function of the aftermarket components and the intelligence used in both modifying and driving the vehicle. So that means money and technical skill really determine the trail performance more than the badge.

I have not seen an 80 series embarassed by Jeeps on the Rubcion and I have been there many times, but I have definitley seen many bootie fab yota pickups embarass jeeps where the modification value of the said Jeeps were ten fold of the little backyard specials from Placerville or Sacramento.

I dont mean to raise any hackles being new in this forum but I have to protect my babies

 

[ShottsCruisers]

I dont mean to raise any hackles being new in this forum but I won't stand for the senseless praising of Jeep Wranglers

I fixed that for you! :sombrero:

Ya, some people interpret posts the way they want to. That's OK.

There's no bashing of the 80-series going on. I still own one of my two.

Reality is however that the 80, 60, and 100's are huge and cannot compete with a Wrangler due to size alone. They simply don't fit and do not have the needed breakover to complete really aggressive trails. At least here on our wild trails in AZ, an 80 can't follow an XJ or the Wranglers. Ain't happening. Where it CAN fit, it excells in every area over the Jeeps. (Just like my 100 does over the 80)

 

[Scott Brady]

Capability requires a wide berth, as there are so many variables. Typically, a stock Jeep Rubicon will outperform any domestically available platform, just by the nature of the design and hardware. Lockers, sway-bar disconnect, 32" mud tires, long-travel suspension, etc. etc. It is just the reality of it. However, I would not say that an 80 series with factory lockers trails that far behind. Where is struggles is on the body damage front. A Jeep Rubicon is really just that much better, narrower, and fitted with factory sliders, etc.

There are places other trucks are better, like a Power Wagon in mud would eat a Jeep Rubicon. More power, larger tires and a longer WB.

The specific design requirement of the Wrangler IS capability. It sacrifices everything else to that end. The specific design requirement for a Land Cruiser is not just capability, but reliability, durability, capacity (payload), cargo space, personnel transport, etc.

It is really not an offense to say that a Jeep Rubicon is generally more capable than a 60 or 80 series Land Cruiser (in stock form). A Land Cruiser just has other functions it also serves, in addition to excellent capability.

And remember, this discussion only makes sense if you compare stock trucks to stock trucks, or else you are just comparing modifications. Sure, you can make an 80 series compete at the extreme ends of capability, but it will be at the sacrifice of other attributes.

For me, however, the ultimate solution to all these problems is the 70 series TLC. Ultimate capability, capacity, durability and reliability

 

[fowldarr]

You 70 owners really like to throw it in our faces don't ya.

 

[mickey_rubicon]

My Rubicon definitely jiggles my spine more than my 80. I could never have only one or the other. I love them both unconditionally and would recommend both vehicles to anybody getting into going out on the trails.