How much and how hard?

IronSmiles

Observer
gooseboy said:
Oh and also what is a high pinoin dana 30 and a chrysler 8.25 flat, and how do i know if its on there?

I would look for a 97 - 99 Cherokee 4x4 that doesn't have ABS (Try the Sport)

The high pinion dana 30 is a good front axle.. what high pinion means is that the front drive shaft connects to the diff housing on the upper half to give it better ground clearance.. looking at it from underneath on the right hand side you would see this..
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The low pinion is just what it sounds like, the drive shaft connects to the lower half of the diff housing.. meaning you lose a few inches of clearance and could break something much easier on a rogue rock.
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(Low on the left, high on the right)

The chrysler 8.25 rear axle is really solid, in my opinion very close to a dana 44. The jeep with the towing package has this with upgraded gears.. looking at it from the back you would see whats on this pic..
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The jeeps that don't have the 8.25 in those year ranges had the dana 35 rear.. see how its round and not flat on bottom? It's a horrible axle.

Hope that helps. :elkgrin:
 

IronSmiles

Observer
gooseboy said:
Wow thanks for all the help all.

If you dont mind.. Why dont i want ABS?

On some of the cherokee models, 97-99, only the ones with 4x4 and towing package without ABS had the chrysler 8.25 rear axle.. the ones with ABS had the MUCH WEAKER Dana 35.
 

Maximus Ram

Expedition Leader
either a toyota solid axle truck or a 91 + Jeep Cherokee. Plentiful, easy to find parts and run for along time.
 

gooseboy

Observer
IronSmiles said:
On some of the cherokee models, 97-99, only the ones with 4x4 and towing package without ABS had the chrysler 8.25 rear axle.. the ones with ABS had the MUCH WEAKER Dana 35.

Why not say like a 1990- and up Cherokee? I read they changed the tailgate material?
 

viatierra

Explorer
gooseboy said:
Wow thanks for all the help all.

If you dont mind.. Why dont i want ABS?

Simply recall the function of ABS: When a wheel locks up and skids on a surface (usually ice, snow, mud or wet pavement) ABS will pulse the brake on that particular skidding tire in order to make the tire continue to turn. Thus, you are able to safely steer a vehicle instead of sliding our of control.

The problem is off pavement when traveling on loose dirt or gravelly surfaces... particularly when going down a steep hill. You will be on the brakes hard to go slow, BUT it will be very tricky to avoid all wheel slippage on the loose surface. When the wheels slips, ABS engage, you will find yourself going downhill unable to control your speed. Yeah, its lame. Anyone with an ABS vehicle has had this happen. There are a few other issues, but I think this is the biggie. Lockers help alot as well as always choosing your lowest gear during steep descents.

As time marches on, non-ABS vehicles will be harder to come by. I'm not super concerned with the ABS issues as I have lockers and have learned to cope with it. Doing a mod to disable ABS is probably not difficult, but can't speak about that with authority. Someone here can...
 

whipp

Observer
Joaquin Suave said:
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Two vehicles i'd look at (both purchased with the lowest miles possible)...

Suzuki Samuri's (spelling???) & sidekicks.

--snip--

I'm going to throw in a second vote for Suzukis. My first 4x4 was a 1989 Sidekick and found it extremely easy to work on, inexpensive, and reliable. If memory serves me correctly, I had less than $5000 into it. My brother owns it now (lucky dog) and drives it as frequently as he does his daily driver. It gets roughly 24-26 mpg on the highway and 20 mpg off road, which is really hard to complain about.

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- Craig
 

IronSmiles

Observer
There's a lot of really good choices/suggestions in here for starting points.. There's nothing wrong with 90's cherokees, the only reason I suggested 97-99 or newer is just because my personal preferance is to have something a little newer to work with when building a trail rig, big or small. Plus newer can sometimes mean the chances for lots of abuse being done to it is less likely than somebody who has say a 91 cherokee and they don't care about it. Maybe because of that they didn't take care of it and just beat the hell out of it.

To help narrow your search for the vehicle be a little vain, what appeals to you? Then from there find what's a solid reliable starting vehicle from those choices.. then once you have it you can pick and choose what you wanna do and make it your own. :victory:
 

Maximus Ram

Expedition Leader
ABS definitely is not good offroad, but just pull the fuse fro those times. Learned that the hard ay at Hollister Hills....gets a bit scary when the brakes are fully applied and your still moving with the road quickly dropping off. Don't really like it on road either.....still takes a bit to stop and if its wewt...well forget it, your in the middle of the intersection anyways:yikes:
 

gooseboy

Observer
How many miles should i be looking for on a vehicle like the Cherokee or offroading vehicle if its going to double as my daily driver.. Ill probably be driving it for quite a while.
 

madizell

Explorer
viatierra said:
The problem is off pavement when traveling on loose dirt or gravelly surfaces... particularly when going down a steep hill. You will be on the brakes hard to go slow, BUT it will be very tricky to avoid all wheel slippage on the loose surface. When the wheels slips, ABS engage, you will find yourself going downhill unable to control your speed. Yeah, its lame. Anyone with an ABS vehicle has had this happen. There are a few other issues, but I think this is the biggie. Lockers help alot as well as always choosing your lowest gear during steep descents.

Whether to use or not use ABS in an off-road situation depends on who is driving and under what circumstances. As explained, the function of ABS is to keep one or more of the wheels from skidding (stopping or going far slower than the rest) by releasing brake pressure to that wheel, in order to balance rotational speeds. However, all ABS that I have used are incapable of stopping wheel lockup absolutely. Once all four wheels are turning slowly, or skidding at approximately the same rate, ABS can no longer sense a situation to be corrected, and it simply stops doing anything. My Audi, for example, will pulse the brakes until vehicle speeds are under about 5 mph, at which point, the brakes simply lock up.

Off road, if you are in a limited traction situation, ABS doing its job will not cause a driving issue that does not already exist. If there is little or no traction available, whether you have brakes locked or don't won't matter because you can't control your speed anyway, and if you are going quite slowly, the difference in rotational speed between a rolling wheel and a stopped wheel will be so slight that most ABS systems won't sense the difference. All ABS systems allow a degree of variation to account for different wheel speeds while braking and turning a corner. Going slowly in loose traction won't create a wheel speed differential any different from turning a corner on pavement, and ABS should not fight you. Besides, if traction is in fact quite limited to the point of tire slippage with wheels locked, brakes won't stop you anyway and the wheels should be allowed to turn, even to the point of gaining speed in order to retain directional control. If you have not driven in these circumstances, you have not lived on the edge and would not really have had a chance yet to see what ABS can or can't do for you. Trying to keep the wheels turning under such circumstances is exactly what you will be trying to do yourself, so having the ABS do it for you isn't necessarily a problem.

I think there is a lot of negative opinion in the off road crowd simply because of attitude regarding driver control versus computer "interference." I have some of that prejudice myself, having learned to drive before computers were invented. But I have also driven off road with ABS equipped vehicles and have never had a situation where control was taken from me by the ABS system. Even if the wheels didn't always do what I expected, still what they were doing was not necessarily wrong, dangerous, or undesirable. Frequently I am so busy doing whatever it is I am doing that I don't have brain time to closely monitor wheel speeds and traction, so having ABS do that for me would be a benefit, not a burden.

Certainly, ABS can be defeated. Sometimes it is as simple as finding the fuse and pulling it. Unless or until you drive off road with ABS to the point of frustration over the system, I would not do or not do anything about it if your vehicle is so equipped. Short of building a rock crawler, I wouldn't worry about it.
 

gooseboy

Observer
Thanks for all the help everyone.. Does anyone know where a good place to look for one would be? Or how i would go about looking for one?
 

haven

Expedition Leader
Craigslist

A good place to look for cheap used cars is CraigsList. CL accepts ads for free which is important for somebody who expects to make little money on the sale.

Put this sort of command in your web browser's search window:

1992 cherokee site:craigslist.org

Change the year and search again. Note that the results will be in cities around the country. If you want to search only your local CL, try a command like this:

1994 cherokee site:albuquerque.craigslist.org

CL has its share of scams, and of course there are people who flat-out lie about the condition of the vehicle for sale. So if you're not confident in your own ability to check out a vehicle, find somebody who can. The members of this group are usually very generous with their time to help out. A local 4x4 club is another source.

Autotrader.com is another good source for used vehicle listings.

Chip Haven
 

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