85_Ranger4x4
Well-known member
Yeah it wasn't a big deal, just software. Not like it took half a day and a mountain of parts to fix.
How Soon Before They’ll Be Coming For You? Busting Diesel Deleters Continues…
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Yeah it wasn't a big deal, just software. Not like it took half a day and a mountain of parts to fix.
I'm hoping some of the new emissions tech like the electrically heated stuff coming from Cummins actually works well. The current crop of diesel emissions equipment is much better than the early stuff, but still hot garbage overall.
The goal of most of the current regulations is choking off vehicle availability and affordability, not any actual emissions improvement or positive environmental impact. Forcing US drivers into larger and heavier vehicles with worse fuel efficiency, worse reliability, and questionable powerplant choices is a massive waste of money and resources and ultimately results in MORE emissions.
Many, many drivers would be better off with smaller turbodiesels in more efficient midsize and half ton trucks that gave a reliable, long service life instead of some low displacement dual turbo gas nonsense that craps out early - or trucks larger than they actually need with emissions equipment that fails without a specific driving style. Treating vehicles as disposable is incredibly wasteful; so is the number of people who end up buying a second vehicle as a daily driver because the US is missing an entire segment of pickup trucks.
Rolling coal is dumb but people are rightfully fed up.
The goal of most of the current regulations is choking off vehicle availability and affordability, not any actual emissions improvement or positive environmental impact. Forcing US drivers into larger and heavier vehicles with worse fuel efficiency, worse reliability, and questionable powerplant choices is a massive waste of money and resources and ultimately results in MORE emissions.
Many, many drivers would be better off with smaller turbodiesels in more efficient midsize and half ton trucks that gave a reliable, long service life instead of some low displacement dual turbo gas nonsense that craps out early - or trucks larger than they actually need with emissions equipment that fails without a specific driving style. Treating vehicles as disposable is incredibly wasteful; so is the number of people who end up buying a second vehicle as a daily driver because the US is missing an entire segment of pickup trucks.
Rolling coal is dumb but people are rightfully fed up.
ExpoMike
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Yeah, I have never understood this. I have had/have a few diesels and didn't want them smoking anymore than needed. Sadly the "coal rollers" have done nothing but hurt the diesel market by getting tighter and tighter regulations.
rruff
Explorer
Most of these are new diesels which are modified to belch out smoke when a switch is flipped. It's not the same as deleting emissions.
Only a handful or states even consider "rolling coal" illegal, and fines are modest and hardly ever given.
85_Ranger4x4
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When I worked at a dealer most of the people that were wanting to delete were wanting to delete for the same reason people wanted to delete air suspensions... they were sick of expensive drama and wanted a reliable vehicle.
The derate to 5mph BS because of DEF issues won over a lot of hearts and minds as well...
We wouldn't touch doing a delete/tune and really the whole delete/tune process hobbled us as OE diagnostic equipment didn't work with the aftermarket stuff so we would end up sending a lot of deleted trucks down the road as we were not set up to deal with them.
The derate to 5mph BS because of DEF issues won over a lot of hearts and minds as well...
We wouldn't touch doing a delete/tune and really the whole delete/tune process hobbled us as OE diagnostic equipment didn't work with the aftermarket stuff so we would end up sending a lot of deleted trucks down the road as we were not set up to deal with them.
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