Hummer people let me hear from you!

citthru

New member
Hello All! Ok, so I posted a similar post in the Land Rover section so forgive me if this has been brought up or debated before. I'm looking to get into building up a rig in the coming year and I've always loved Hummers, but I have a thing for Land Rovers as well. Obviously I felt I was going to get some biased replies in the Land Rover section so I posted here as well, but I would like to know what makes one or the other better. I'm thinking the size of the Hummer along limits some of its off road capabilities, but it just seems to be indestructible. Let me hear your thoughts. Thanks!

Mak
 

Scott Brady

Founder
We filter out HUMMER owners on registration - except for Ron. He is a pretty cool guy, and owns an H1, so we let him hang.







JUUUUUST kidding ;)
 

Ron B

Explorer
I feel special...but no wonder it's so lonely here. Thanks Scott for keeping the riff-raff out!!

I don't think one can ever really say one truck is better than another, they all have their advantages and disadvantages. In the end, it's really about what you want to drive and getting it prepared to go where you want to take it. I've never owned a rover but really love and respect them (g-wagons and lc's as well). I'd suggest hooking up with some owners and riding shotgun on some wheeling trips to see first hand what you like/dislike about each truck. Try other trucks as well...don't think only a hummer or rover will do...and don't just get one over the other because someone says so, get what's right for you, and what you can afford. Wheeling is an expensive hobby -- it's easy (and addicting) to go crazy with accessories and vehicle modifications not to mention the increased maintenance. You;ll learn a lot from talking to owners.

I've had my '97 td hummer for 6 years and it still makes me smile whenever I drive it. I bought it primarily to be my trail truck, so I have another car that I use as a daily driver. Not to say it doesn't make a fun/reliable daily driver (I know many who use it as such) but I often have to park in garages and/or use valet and I don't like handing my truck over to strangers. People have the impression that there are so many but in my experience most can't tell an h1 from and h2 from an h3. The h1 has nothing in common with the latter two. GM bought the name and borrowed the "styling" from AM-General, who sold less than 12,000 civilian hummers between 1992 and 2006. It is estimated that there are maybe 8000 left in the US.

I really don't think it's as unreliable as most here will say, but it's certainly no Toyota! It's easy to work on and I haven't found parts from AM-General to be that expensive. It will go through a lot of idlers, pitmans and balljoints if used a lot off road. As long as you follow the maintenance schedule it will last forever.

The only reliability issues I've had are with all the aftermarket stuff I've added to the truck and the computer on the GM 6.5 engine. My mechanic is one of the most knowledgeable in the world about these trucks and tells me that 95% of the h1's is towed/flat-bedded into the dealer is a computer related issue. If I was to do it all over again, I'd get an earlier model with a na diesel -- less complicated, more reliable.

What will kill your bank account quick is a few visits to a Hummer dealer -- and it's hard to find them that can actually work on these trucks. Most dealers say they can work on them, but really don't know a ton about these trucks. GM started screwing that up almost immediately after buying the hummer name from AM-General around 2000, so you won't see many h1 guys sad about GM tanking. AM-General is totally separate and will be around making stuff a long time. As long as humvees are in use there will be plenty of parts to be had and people to work on them when you can't.

Driving on road is much more comfy than other equally capable trucks I've been in, but louder. It's no caddie, it's closer to a tractor -- so I am baffled by most of the folks who buy these trucks because of the impression they are so luxurious and roomie. These trucks hate chrome and will stop working until you remove it.

It's offroad capabilities are amazing, however one really needs to learn how to drive it properly (the half-shafts can be easy to break if you don't know what you are doing). H1's are on portals so there is a lot of ground clearance -- 17" with stock 37" tires. It can use up to 38.5" tires...any bigger and you'll probably want a body lift so there will be no rubbing. With a 2" body lift you can fit up to 42" tires (again, knowing how to drive it will keep it from becoming a half-shaft breaking machine).

It's low and wide, so it's very stable on and off the road. I rarely find the width limiting on trails, but admittedly I mainly wheel in the Big Bear, Arrowhead, and desert areas amd haven't spent too much time in forrested areas. There's a rear steer kit out that makes these things turn like a smart car that I am really interested in. It will eliminate those 20 point turns on narrow switchbacks! If you are ok with brush rake or desert pinstriping then you'll be fine.

Like I said, talk to owners, ride in and drive all the different kinds of trucks you can get your hands on to give yourself a fairly good idea what will work for you. You are near Chicago so you are not far from the AM-General factory, it's in South Bend -- go take a tour, I hear they are cool. Sorry for blabbing so much.

here's a fun promo video from the mid 90's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiIot7CDRg8&feature=related
 

Xjaddiction

Observer
I've been on a couple of Hummer runs, on trails that I've spent many years wheeling in a Jeep (XJ, MJ; 35" tires, and 38"tires). One of the runs was with a dealership that had over 750,000 bucks worth of hummer inventory out on the trail. Three H-1's included. The H2's did a much better job at navigating the narrow trails as expected. What was a total surprise, to me, was the wider, twisty rutted trails (I'm talking 5 foot deep ruts), stuck the H1's every time. The h2's would cruise through them, although with tires as much as 5 feet in the air. The H1's just got hung up. These are purpose built trails on private off-road park land. Trails that my flexy Jeeps never have a problem with. Honestly, I think the H1's are better suited for the desert terrain they were designed for, and excel in. Tight twisty trails are a huge obstacle for the H1, even the H2 for that matter.
 

Ron B

Explorer
yep...it always comes down to a driver knowing how to drive the truck. I bet the h1 drivers had no clue how to btm and they obviously didn't have lockers. The '99 to '02 trucks need lockers bad as they can't effectively be btm'd anymore because of the addition of abs and the required lower bias ratio in the diffs. Aftermarket lockers have always been available but most with those year trucks rely on the bad computer assisted traction control system (very unpopular among those who wheel their trucks -- most who want performance off road search out '98 and earlier trucks to buy. The '03 came with a rear locker and the '04 and '06 were front and rear locked.

as you probably know, most who attend the dealer runs are new to the vehicles. You can see it all over youtube, some poor fool with an h1 stuck on a granny obstacle and some other vehicle just walks by. It's driver error, especially if an h2 is out wheeling it!

I'm sure the terrain in the dealer trip couldn't have been any worse than in the video I posted a link to in my previous post -- the footage was shot in '94 or '95 with bone stock hummers (before the h1 designation) right off the assembly line driven by the AM-General techs.
 
D

Deleted member 9101

Guest
I don't know about the civilian version but the military version has front and rear lockers.
 

Ron B

Explorer
I don't know about the civilian version but the military version has front and rear lockers.

I wasn't aware they put lockers in them or needed them because they still use the higher bias diffs in the humvee. What kind are they using?

rb
 
D

Deleted member 9101

Guest
I wasn't aware they put lockers in them or needed them because they still use the higher bias diffs in the humvee. What kind are they using?

rb

I have no clue what kind hey are, but you go from 4 high, to "high lock", then "low lock"... its my understanding thats engaging the lockers... but I might be incorrect.
 

Ron B

Explorer
that is just locking the t-case into low gear. I believe the diffs are the same as the 98 and earlier hummers before AM-General had to add abs and change to a lower bias ratio (from a 4.5:1 to a 2:1 if I remember correctly). They'll go anywhere until you lift a tire, then light pressure on the brake will start to lock up the diffs and you are moving again. It's fun to do because you can see the obstacle coming and btm to deal with it instead of the truck's computer reacting only when you are in the pickle, losing your momentum.

I was initially looking for a humvee, but I had heard about problems registering them in some states and a possible lack of support from the dealers (they technically aren't supposed to be on the roads according to AMG).

rb
 

easy610

Observer
Already posted elsewhere so I won't post more pics...

HUMMER H2 owner here. Hope to get out and off the road this summer. Bought my H2 in Nov 2009 and I believe got a fair price.

Is it large? Yes.
Does it get poor MPG? Well, yes, compared to a Taco..but it is MUCH larger. Compare it to an f250 or f350 and it isn't that far off...
Did I buy it mostly because I love the look? Yes.

Would have bought smaller (love the 4dr wrangler), but I have three kids and tow a TT. Jeeps (other than the Commander) don't tow a lot of lbs...and the Commander with the HEMI is very close in MPG to my H2 with a much smaller interior...

Anyway, I know there ain't much love for HUMMERs by many outdoor enthusiasts who see them as posers, and play things for suburbanites. I'd like to think I'm not one of those....and I respect those who have gone before me...

Cheers,
 
Last edited:

Forum statistics

Threads
188,727
Messages
2,909,523
Members
230,892
Latest member
jesus m anderson
Top