I almost gave up.....

subterran

Adventurer
Congratulations on your TC!

FWIW, the cost he quoted you to re-arch the springs is what I paid for my all-new HD springs from Northwest Offroad. I can't lie, though - it's very difficult, if not impossible to have both a factory ride (when there is no camper on the truck) and a level, comfortable 'factory' ride with the camper on. It's pretty much like having your cake and eating it too. This only applies when you're talking about springs. If you're never going to take the camper off, I would go with new springs hands down. I had a bad experience with airbags. I know Rangerdogg used them and was satisfied, though. Get Firestones if you go that way, not Airlift.
 

subterran

Adventurer
OK, I have had a chance to read through all of this better now, so here are a few things I hope will help.

I have seen a photo of how your jacks fold, but I can't find one now, so here is how they work: with camper mounted on truck, you take out all but one bolt from the bracket. Fold the rear jack forward, using those fence-ring things to hold the jack in the folded position. Fold the front jack to the rear, using the other ring to support it. You may have to shorten the jack all the way to get them to fit foot to foot. Does that make sense?

Jacks too long: if the foot comes off, just use a pipe cutter to chop off several inches, and put the foot back on.

Looks really nice inside! Good score!

I don't know about that mounting method that guy told you. I strongly suggest 4 points. The rubber mat will help a great deal with any shifting problems.

If you are having sway problems, I think you should avoid airbags. They are not great at helping with sway at all. On my truck, I added the NW Offroad rear springs, replaced the rear shocks with a pair of Fabtech shocks, and the ride is perfect with the camper on. No sway, no bottoming out, smooth, awesome ride. Knocks your teeth out without the camper though.
 

surlydiesel

Adventurer
I'm a big fan of Hellwig Helpers on top of the Toyota Springs. Yours are old and prob shot but if I were in your shoes, I would toss on a set of the 2500 pound helpers and get the Swaybar as well. Also I would get Timbren bump stops to help with the load as well. Get good shocks on all 4 corners and absolutely get 4 E rated tires. You don't need to run them at 80psi but that's just cheap insurance for that load. I'm not an airbag guy, the idea of loosing one someplace remote and the lack of sway control doesn't really excite me either. The helper springs will only lift the rear of you truck 1.5 inches at most unloaded and it will ride rougher but no worse than an empty F350. I'm jealous of your purchase. There was a camper here locally that I let slip and now I'm kicking myself. We don't see them often in NJ. Enjoy!!!!

-jorge
 

rangerdogg

Adventurer
woohoo

I'm glad you found one and are happy. No problem on trying to find you one , they are hard to find around here. And I didn't use airbags I used air shocks on my ranger and I had them for my construction trailer to help with bounce. But I never had a problem with then worked for me . The jack if you take the boltsout and slide in holder then just attach one bolt and it will hold will in transit. Looks real nice congrats again now enjoy it for many years.
 

subterran

Adventurer
Oh, yeah, the tires. Mine is great on D. I will probably not ever mount E's. Again, for what it's worth.
(Edit:my Goodyear Duratracs are load range C, not D. But the same applies: it does great)
 
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craig333

Expedition Leader
If you're planning on dropping the camper and using it you need to find out if its designed for such use or if it needs to be supported (over and above the jacks) underneath.
 

Camelfilter

Explorer
Nice find!

-Tip on tires: If you don't need them NOW, keep an eye out for used. I have had very good luck buying used off Craigslist and saved a bunch. It's hit or miss though so you have to be patient. I've bought 2 sets of near new studded snows for peanuts & sold some near new "E" rated tires as well.

Alternatively you could keep an eye out on good Toyota forums (I don't know which ones have high traffic), but nice tow rated tires come up weekly on a few Nissan forums I'm on. --17/18" rims though, so no point in my redirecting you over there.
 

Bolson

New member
The brackets on the side of your camper are for Rieco Titan jacks ( Dyers RV has them for sale online ... Decent prices ). The loop looking things are for the jack legs to slip into when you fold them up and crank the leg "down"
 

tanglefoot

ExPoseur
Congrats on the camper! That's a similar length to mine. I really like having the extra length for the space inside.

It's pretty difficult to find tires higher than load range C for 15" wheels without going to a huge size. You pretty well need to go to 16" wheels to find reasonably-sized tires in load ranges D or above. I've always stuck with range-Cs on 15" wheels and am completely satisfied.

The price quote on the suspension work seems high. I wouldn't pay anyone to replace rear shocks--that's a simple, DIY job.

I've had some pretty pleasant overnight stays in Walmart lots--they were usually in the mountains though.

Looks like a great camper--glad your search panned out. Enjoy!
 

potterjon

Observer
Thanks for all the responses! I know the suspension upgrades are a hot debate on all fronts so I expect a lot of different theories. My budget is tight at the moment and summer's a wastin' away, so I have come up with a temporary solution to get me through a few short distance camping trips hopefully. A buddy of a buddy has a tire and suspension shop down the road from me and I am headed there in the morning. His suggestion was "helper springs" for now anyway. I say "helper springs" with some hesitation because it took me awhile to figure out that we were talking about two different things. He is referring to helper coil type springs and I was talking about "helper leaf springs" or "assist springs" as pictured earlier in this thread. My point is that the terminology is very confusing and the term "helper springs" can refer to a lot of different ideas and products. My shocks are shot, I am sure of it, and maybe even the leaf spring packs. My sway bar seems to be good, but I am not a mechanic. So I will let him put it on a lift and see what he says, but right now the answer is coil type helper springs installed for $70. These are the ones that fit between the leaf springs and the bump stops. I am glad I found this guy as I think he is very knowledgeable and builds suspension for race cars and is a third generation tire man. :) He did suggest bumping up the tire pressure to about 55 psi. We talked about tire failure for awhile and that's a whole other conversation.
My concern with the re-arching is the memory of the material and the price involved. It just doesn't make sense and as stated earlier, new leaf packs are probably less. I don't mind doing the work myself, but I don't want to if I can help it. I have enough projects in my life and this is supposed to be a vacation from those projects. :) I also really would like to get a suspension person to help guide me through this process. I realize I may be upgrading from one product to the next until I get it right for my set up. I have a feeling I will be putting new shocks on also tomorrow in addition to the coil helper springs. Long term, I realize this isn't ideal, but I just want to get through the summer and maybe fall. With any luck, we will use it this weekend with the trusty 1000 lb ratchet straps on all four corners (not going far or off road).
Subterran and others. as for the jacks folding up to fit in those fence post rings, the feet are just way too wide to fit that close to the body of the camper. I understand exactly what you are saying and that is how the seller explained it to me, but the feet are like 6" square. I may have to just take another look at them and how they might be able to fold up closer.
I am a little concerned about cutting off the jack stands and re welding them to accommodate my truck because I think my truck is just sitting too low and when I do replace the springs and shocks the truck may actually be sitting higher and then they may end up too short. Not to mention, the resale value of the jacks if someone with a larger truck pops up wanting to buy it later. I am thinking they are the original jack stands but I have no idea if they come in different sizes or not. All the original paperwork is with the camper and the paperwork matches the stands. It even the original key hain. That made me smile and want to put on some birdwell shorts and a panama jack t shirt. :) I ended up backing up the truck with the camper on it, onto blocks about 3.5" high just to get it off the truck. I may have to jack the truck up just to get the camper back on! lol. Man is that thing rickety on those three jack stands all by itself.
I have read about the plywood box standing on edge with a piece on top for support when the camper is off the truck for camping and I was kind of planning on doing that. But i dunno.......it seems pretty high off the ground with all the jack stands lowered as far as they will go.
Just for the record,
I am grateful for all the input as I am a complete noob to truck camping. If I don't address you specifically, don't think I didn't read your comment. I welcome all suggestions.
 

potterjon

Observer
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Did I mention I didn't really need another project? :)
Well the sliding window didn't match up with the cab window in my truck so I flipped it around tonight. I was fully expecting silicone to be the window seal but to my surprise I think it's plumbers putty! So I flipped it around to center the opening on the camper to match my cab window. I also started cleaning a bit, I busted out the toothbrush, then the toilet brush and the simple green, etc. 25 yrs of crud is a lot of crud. This thing is dirty and now I am thinking pressure washer. I scrubbed a little too hard on one part and started pulling off the paint so I stopped.
 

potterjon

Observer
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Personally, I think this stuff is much easier to get off than silicone. It was a pleasant surprise and here it is all balled up!
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I assume it's the original putty as you can see it everywhere covered in dirt on all the seams.
I just pulled a bit away with my finger nail for the photo. This stuff is endlessly pliable.
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rayct77

Observer
Any RV service will have butyl tape in rolls. A word of advice, don't try to work with it at room temperature if it's over 65 degrees. If it's warm outside keep it in the fridge for a while before using it or it will be like working with gum. PITA.
 

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