If you have Custom made 16" Wheels ...

[kookynet]

If you have Custom made 16" Wheels, could you please be kind to check the

markings on the wheel and let us know ?

We are trying to source our futur ones.

Thank You

Robert

 

[Bajaroad]

my wheels

I don't remember any markings - I'll have to check, but here is some info regarding the wheels I had Stockton build . . ..

The wheels are 16X “8” inches wide with an actual width of 9in. I was told the best they could achieve was a “backspace” of 7.74 inches (they adjusted my offset on my drawing by .062, so offset from center is 3.30-.062 = 3.24 offset. Backspace is 4.5 + 3.24 = 7.74 in). I believe it positions the wheels on the same track within about an inch.
Stockton Wheels made the wheels for me and I worked with a guy named Frank. Frank@stocktonwheel.com
I wasn’t completely happy with Stockton – delays and so so customer service, but there are not a lot of choices out there that I know of. If you contact Frank he should know what you want, just remind him to chamfer BOTH sides of the mounting holes so they can be mounted in both directions. I had to buy an expensive chamfer bit and chamfer it myself with a hand drill – not fun. Oh, and they took about 6 weeks to deliver with some pleading.

Send me a PM if you'd like a copy of my drawing - Brent

 

[kookynet]

Defenderbeam pm

I tried to PM you last weel but didnt work... plse advise. Thanks

 

[Grim Reaper]

Search pirate...lots of complaints about many companies. STAY AWAY form USA 6x6x or whatever Danial now calls that mess..


http://www.stazworks.com/ is one of the companies with a better reputation on Pirate.

 

[DzlToy]

Stazworks builds a decent wheel from what i have seen, but their customer service and operations are average at best, like some other companies mentioned.

Pirate is a great resource, but like any other board there is lots of BS too, especially with 152,000 members.

Marsh Racing builds a great wheel and has excellent service, as does Walker Evans and Allied.

Stay away from Trail Gear and Trail Ready wheels and bead locks, lots of drama, BS and politics there too.

 

[kookynet]

as a conclusion - in March 2010

Hi,

So, to sum up ... I tried hard to have custom wheels made (with an offset that would allow me to get rid of the tubed split rim duallies and go rear tubeless singles) but after 2 months I gave up with the feeling that the companies which have the right equipment (360 degrees welders) are not interested in such a specific and $ small job.

There will always be a focus on the big customers and the chances that a slot opens in the production planning are thin... which probably explains why the guys who finally got custom wheels had to wait 6 months...

I had a sample wheel (without the required offset or rim width but with the right bolt pattern) sent to Century Wheels and Rims in Montebello, CA so they could check the bolt pattern and aslo see if they could cut the disk and weld it on a stock 6-1/2 or 7" rim.
Why ? the offset I wanted required to have the disk slightly curverd and they don't have the equipment for that, they can only work flat disks.

They never looked at the wheel nor got back to me. I asked them to return me the sample, just to find 2 weeks later that they still had it in the shop...

BTW, this is the shop Frank from Stockton Wheels uses, so he may not be 100% to blame for delays, he probably feels like between a rock and a hard place...

I had a good contact with Jeff at 1stattack@mchsi.com (comfi with 19" and more, but about $400 per wheel) and MRT wheels mrtwheels@yahoo.com but could not send them a sample.

Also checked DZiToy links but what we were looking for is quite unusual (3-1/4" offset on 6-1/2" or 7" rim to fit well narrow tires).

There are options in Australia with ALAN on ep but theirs are split rims, and with Warriors but he has to wait until a batch of several dozens are made, plus the shipping to the US is dear.

Finally, research in OZ (thanks HAVEN) showed that several ep members went SWR with stock wheels and happily survive the slight difference between the front and rear tracks.

So that's where we go, with stock tubeless to replace our split (which are fine for easy replacement of the tire, don't get me wrong with them, actually splits are very much searched for in Australia).

We'll keep an eye open in Central and South America since they have Canters there and labour is cheap. :sombrero:
We'll keep this posted if any news from there.

Thanks again to all of you.
Safe trips ! :smiley_drive:
Robert

 

[whatcharterboat]

Finally, research in OZ (thanks HAVEN) showed that several ep members went SWR with stock wheels and happily survive the slight difference between the front and rear tracks.

Hi Robert, If you want my 2 cents worth, your plan sounds fine. Of all the issues that arise from using 2 of the standard wheels for a single rear wheel conversion, ending up with a different track (front relative to rear) is probably the least important. Plenty of the tour operators we build buses for getaway with it on the beach running soft sand without any complaint (about the different tracks anyway) when running those big Michelin XZL's. It's still miles better than duals.

Example: Below using standard wheels (albeit with groovy hubcaps)

Another example of one we did a conversion many years back on a SWB with someone else's camper body.

Of course most of the issues that do arise won't apply to you anyway as your truck is a SWB and therefore only rated at 4.5ton GVM. Right? By running single standard wheels you have to down rate the rear axle of a 6 ton truck and also with the heavier weight, the wheels tend to crack between studs. Spacer plates help reduce this (once you see the 5 stud brake drum, you'll understand why) but if you are well under the weight with your SWB and your CoG is low then it shouldn't be a bother either.

Same with the tyre load ratings. I'm sure you'll find tyres suitable in 16" rated to suit a SWB. Hey, Michelin do a road version of the XZL's . Still around a 255/ 100R 16 so nice and high for better gearing and fuel consumption. Very good in sand too when you air them down a bit. I'd check them out.

BTW did you try and contact one of the guys at work? Re: our wheels.

and with Warriors but he has to wait until a batch of several dozens are made, plus the shipping to the US is dear.

We've been really stuffed around with our next batch of 5 stud 19.5" wheels. We get 360 wheels each time. Don't know what's going on. Waiting, waiting..........

 

[Amesz00]

Hey, Michelin do a road version of the XZL's . Still around a 255/ 100R 16 so nice and high for better gearing and fuel consumption. Very good in sand too when you air them down a bit. I'd check them out.

Ah, the old 9.00R16 XY, right?

im surprized that michelin are still selling these tyres, we used to run them on canters before we had XZLs. They never used to balance right, always wobbling- no matter how much you had them balanced and wheel alignments, always the same- the rims were perfect, so it wasnt that.
Came to the conclusion that it was the tyres themselves. then tried the 19.5s on one truck, good on highway, but pretty rubbish at everything else. then found the 255 XZL so replaced all the XY 9.00s with them- balanced beautifully, first time, every time.

Basicly, i wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole...

 

[whatcharterboat]

Ah, the old 9.00R16 XY, right?

Hi young Andrew, No. Not the XY. Not sure of the Prefix. One of the beach operators uses them here when he can't get XZL's. They look much more "road" than this one in the pic. I'll check them out when it stops raining here. Pouring here ATM.

 

[Bajaroad]

max axle load

By running single standard wheels you have to down rate the rear axle of a 6 ton truck and also with the heavier weight, the wheels tend to crack between studs. Spacer plates help reduce this (once you see the 5 stud brake drum, you'll understand why) but if you are well under the weight with your SWB and your CoG is low then it shouldn't be a bother either.

Hey John, what is the max axle load you'd recommend for the new Canter if running singles on rear?

I'm not running the stock wheels, but I'd like to use one as a spare, so I'm looking for a 35" tire that matches my Toyo's diameter. Any recommendations that would be available in the states?

 

[whatcharterboat]

Hi Brent, So you're hangin' with that Nut Squad fella now. He'll lead you astray, for sure. Lol.

Hey John, what is the max axle load you'd recommend for the new Canter if running singles on rear?

Brent, it's the load rating on the tyres and wheels that will be the limiting factor. Not the fact that there are only 2 wheels in stead of 4 on the rear. As long as they are rated to suit then the axle loading will be as standard.

Actually I've seen a SRW FG running around 8 ton and it's done some serious offroad work too. Certainly would never recommend going over the manufacturer's rating of 6ton GVM though EVER.

 

[Amesz00]

Hi young Andrew, No. Not the XY. Not sure of the Prefix. One of the beach operators uses them here when he can't get XZL's. They look much more "road" than this one in the pic. I'll check them out when it stops raining here. Pouring here ATM.

really? well that is interesting. a new michelin that i havent heard of. id be curious to see what it is.
BTW could you send some of that wonderful rain over this way? its sooo dry here. went down south last weekend camping/4wding. really good fun, but very dry- hasnt rained properly in over 3 months. and i like mud...

Actually I've seen a SRW FG running around 8 ton and it's done some serious offroad work too.

When dad used to run the tours, he would send two canters up the canning stock route (almost 2000km of desert with absolutely no town of any sort between). once he had one weighed right before it left. came in at 6700kg! and this was when they were rated at 5500kg... never any problems (oh yeah and they were SRW as well).

 

[whatcharterboat]

really? well that is interesting. a new michelin that i havent heard of.

I doubt that. No. It's just the XZA. I thought they were a 9.00R but when I had a closer look it was only 8.25R. Hope I didn't mislead anyone. This is on an older 649 beach bus with standard 16"wheels and SRW and is what they are using when they can't get the XZL's. Sure I know they're really a road tyre but they do air down well with the high sidewalls and so they're not too bad on the sand.

 

[lehel1]

wheels ?

hello all

at this point i would not recommend stockton wheel. to be fair, they did seem to manufacture good steel wheels. but thats where the good stops.
we waited 8 weeks for delivery, promised two. only after we canceled our credit card payment (which we paid in full in advance) did stockton wheel finally ship off the wheels. futhermore, we actually traveled 400 miles one way to pick up the wheels when he promised they would be done that coming friday. they didn't bother to call us and let us know they weren't ready within the two days we talked.
now (less than 5 months) all the powdercoating has cracked and peeled off leaving a rusty wheel underneath, frank has brushed this off telling us powdercoating has no warranty and we actually didn't pay extra for the powdercoating in the first place so he won't do anything. not what our original invoice says and not the type of service i would expect from a any repetable shop.

sad case cheers lehel and laura

 

[engineer]

I know blokes who specialize in this sort of thing. Do you want him sorted out?