I reached out last week and was told the X145 with the higher MSRP has Stage 2 solar and Stage 3 batteries.
Imperial Outdoors Xplore XR22
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Obsessed2findARuggedHybid
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Nice but I am baffled why in the heck they would not go stage 3 solar and stage 2 batteries. They are clueless on solar / lithium
I believe it's because there is not enough real estate on the roof for the Stage 3 solar package
Obsessed2findARuggedHybid
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Gotcha. That makes sense but the could have tied in some portables to have more charging capacity
NomadNorman
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$2500 for PDI, it's optional. Without PDI you literally hook up and leave. No walkthrough.
$98500 w/financing. You have to make 7 payments before paying off. I don't know rates but I'd bet minimum of 9%.
$107085 without financing, basically their cost.
It's a great deal either way, if you like the x195. Like the R1 it's too cramped for anyone over 6', particularly the shower where your head will be in the fan at 6'1.
Raspy
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I'm 6'2" and get by pretty well in my Roamer1. The shower is a bit low, but not a problem and it has a bench if I want to sit down. I've never had a trailer that I could stand up straight in the shower.
Charging $2,500. for a PDI seems like a total rip off. I consider it the dealer's responsibility to make sure the trailer is ready to go. And any dealer that doesn't bother to do a basic check of the systems, seems incompetent. It seems some unscrupulous dealers are not interested in finding any problems ahead of the sale, so they can charge back the manufacturer later when the buyer has a problem. If the buyers realized they were being played like that, how many of them would buy from that dealer? It is in the dealer's best interest to make sure the sale goes smoothly and the buyer is happy. And actually, the PDI can simply be the introduction of the buyer to the trailer. Show the buyer how everything works, and make sure everything does work. Once that has been established and the buyer understands it all, the deal has been completed honestly. There would be no reason for the buyer to be upset if something became a problem, because it was shown to be working when they checked it together. Imagine buying a new car, and the dealer wanted $2,500. to make sure it actually ran and the systems worked. No way that would fly.
Obsessed2findARuggedHybid
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So you estimating that dealer cost is 107k for a x195 for stage 3 rig?
NomadNorman
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No. I'm not estimating anything. I have a copy of the invoice from IO to Tom's. It's exactly $107,085.00.
Obsessed2findARuggedHybid
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Right I worded my question wrong. I will try again. Does this trailer for 107,085 have stage 3 solar and Lithium or something else?
NomadNorman
Member
Stage 3 Solar (1040 watts) and Stage 3 Lithium (1080 Ah).
Obsessed2findARuggedHybid
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So that 30 k under what other dealers are charging for the same unit. I will take the take the keys and drive away deal for 30k.
Raspy
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Imperial is known for "overlooking" things, or "making mistakes", or "not understanding" with their build quality. And they are known for resisting repairs in some cases. So, if you are willing to work on the trailer if needed, and fix what needs fixing, it might be worth the risk of the discount price. But if you want excellent customer service, a real warrantee, and you don't want to work on your $100,000. trailer to make it right, maybe the discount is not worth it. I can't get past the idea of charging for a PDI. That means hooking up and leaving with no idea if the systems work, or it means knowing how to test everything yourself before leaving. But if you can't test everything until the paperwork is done, what recourse do you have? I don't understand how a competent dealer would send a new trailer out without checking everything. A PDI. Isn't that what customer service is all about?
Obsessed2findARuggedHybid
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Very good points especially if this dealer is selling the x195 for 107k with no warranty. Maybe the warranty is void if you forgo the PDI?
mvbeggs
Adventurer
I actually talked to Tom's when I was shopping for my X-195. When they told me there was an additional charge for the PDI, I told them I wouldn't pay additional money for doing what they should be doing in the first place. (I agree with Raspy on this subject.) They said it was mandatory. I found a very similar deal, on another 2023 X195 at another dealer, with a warranty- and no ridiculous PDI charge.
Keep looking and don't feed the bears...doing so just reinforces the behavior.
(hint- Imperial's website makes it pretty easy to locate dealers with inventory. As I understand, dealers are not held to manufacture's advertised pricing guidelines on left over 23's.)