iPad Pro vs Surface Pro 4

[mpinco]

Actually carriers initiated the move away from the subsidy model. Apple/Google/BB are simply reacting to the demise of the subsidy model.

Why Carriers Are Moving Away From Subsidized Cell Phones
Bloomberg

Apple measure success by the bottom line. Their market share has been declining. Upgrade cycles have been lengthening. Major markets like China are experiencing economic problems.

Installment plan goals:

Smartphone Notes: Apple's iPhone Sales Strategy, BlackBerry's Acquisition, Samsung's New Wearable


".....Crucially, Apple also unveiled an equipment installment plan of its own – called the iPhone Upgrade Program – that allows customers to upgrade their iPhones annually and receive an AppleCare+ extended warranty by committing to a 24-month financing period. We see the move helping Apple in three ways. 1) Shortening the upgrade cycle, which has typically stood at 2 years, translating to higher shipments over time; 2) Locking customers in to the iPhone ecosystem; and 3) Improving margins, since Apple will sell from its own stores, while bundling the high-margin AppleCare+ extended warranty plan with every sale....."

- Shorten upgrade cycle that has been rising
- Lock in customer with Apple contract
- Add warranty, raise customer total cost and Apple margins. Warranties are profit centers.

One doesn't need significant technology changes in a walled-garden to achieve the above strategy. In fact, technology improvements need to be limited to lower cost. A game of perception.
The installment plan also pulls forward demand as those sitting on fence take the offer.

 

[OCD Overland]

iPads, mpinco - this thread is about iPads.

 

[mpinco]

iPads, mpinco - this thread is about iPads.

Hmmmm ....... "iPad Pro vs Surface Pro 4"

The thread is about two product offerings, one from Microsoft, the other from Apple. Competition in a changing and consolidating market. Microsoft exec presents at Apple show. Apple runs MS10. MS10 runs Apple.

Just virtualize it and let me pick the best pieces.

Oh, wait. That is where we are headed.

Now, what does Steve think of the Stylus!

 

[nwoods]

Hmmmm .......
Just virtualize it and let me pick the best pieces.

Lol, that's what I do now, using Parrallels in Convergance mode. Apps just run, doesn't matter which OS is hosting it. Pretty seamless

 

[mpinco]

Lol, that's what I do now, using Parrallels in Convergance mode. Apps just run, doesn't matter which OS is hosting it. Pretty seamless

Which is what Blackberry does with Android apps, except virtualization is nearly native. I say "nearly" only because they emulate today with true virtualization mentioned in several articles on QNX. Virtualization serves the enterprise security requirements while isolating the toy/game stuff of Android/Apple.

 

[kojackJKU]

Hmmmm ....... "iPad Pro vs Surface Pro 4"

The thread is about two product offerings, one from Microsoft, the other from Apple. Competition in a changing and consolidating market. Microsoft exec presents at Apple show. Apple runs MS10. MS10 runs Apple.

Just virtualize it and let me pick the best pieces.

Oh, wait. That is where we are headed.

Now, what does Steve think of the Stylus!

He hates the stylus...but that's fine because the Ipad "pro" comes with a pencil...

 

[Scott Brady]

Curious if anyone has purchased the Surface 4 Pro

Partcularly someone that transitioned from Mac OS to windows 10. Likes and dislikes? Thoughts?

Thanks!

 

[tgreening]

Seems like Apples (hah!) and oranges to me. One is a laptop trying to be a tablet and the other a tablet trying to be a....well, bigger tablet as far as I can tell. Some decent IOS hacks I guess to take advantage of the size, but I still don't see it doing "real" work.

One place the IOS stuff does shine is its interconnection. I can be typing away on my macbook pro and if someone sends me a txt it comes to my phone, my ipad, and my mac. Same with a phone call, or pictures. Easy peasy. The more Mac stuff you have the more advantage to having it. Trying to get your phone, your computer, and your tablet to do something so basic as feed a txt msg around isn't nearly so simple if it isnt Apple.

I think Macs are great when you want to just do stuff and don't care about what goes on behind the scenes to make that happen. Windows is great when you want to know where everything is, why it's there, what its doing, and be able to screw it all....I mean manipulate it. Windows is for those who like to tinker. I use both and sometimes Apple frustrates me when I want to know where the heck something gets stored so I can go get it and drag it kicking and screaming to where I want. Windows I like because the file/folder system makes sense to me.

 

[Scott Brady]

Yeah, it is more of a peripherals and file management issue in the field. The iPad nearly handles all of my needs on the road but I also have an iMac at the office to manage files, image work, etc.

I think the ability to run full-blown Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop is what will shift me to the Surface Pro 4. I also want the throughput of USB 3.0 and external SSDs for image and video backup.

 

[Christophe Noel]

Scott, the entire time I was in Nepal I worked from my Samsung Edge 6+ with a folding Anker keyboard. I used a WD wireless hard drive to back up images and also view them on the plus size phone, with resolution that smokes the iPhone. Long story short, it's a baby step towards my next purchase, a Surface Pro 4. I'm slowly leaving the orchard, one Apple at a time.

I do still like my MacBook, but who knows, this might be the last one I own.

And my phone rocks. Way better than my last three iPhones.

 

[kojackJKU]

Christophe, You will LOVE the SP4. I'm using the surface 3 (non pro), and I use it for my desktop, notebook, tablet, writing notebook, etc. Spend the extra money and get all the accessories. The dock, pen and keyboard completes the device.

They are the best tech devices available today. Plus, leaving the forbidden fruit is ALWAYS good. There are more and more leaving apple to use the surface lineup. which is great because there will be more and more apps coming to it.

 

[fike]

Everybody is saying that the ipads are better tablets and the surfaces are better laptops, but I would extend that to say that the surface is a better tablet than the ipads are laptops. I have been working with a surface 3 (not pro) and it is a really nice compromise size for both light computing and for tablet content consumption. I can quickly tether it to my iphone (I am not brand zealot) and use the internet while I read my kindle app on my ipad mini and hang out in my maggiolina mounted on my subaru while sleeping in my big agnes while wearing my patagucci long underwear.

We define ourselves by our product choices. Weird isn't it.

 

[lysol]

Funny how much I've jumped around...

Phones: Windows Mobile -> iPhone -> Android (currently)
Computers: Windows -> Apple -> Windows (currently)

I went from years of windows based computers to getting married and letting my wife convinced me to get a Mac. I actually enjoyed it for some time as I'm immersed in a Windows environment at work 8 hours/day. But then I began to miss tinkering with things that the Mac just doesn't allow. We ended up moving to Windows and got 2 Surface Pro 3 I7's. Best decision ever. My wife has a sweet desktop setup with docking station, dual monitors, etc... And I got my rugged case lol (don't use the docking station much). The fan does bother me and wish we could've held out for the Surface Pro 4, though I'm not entirely sure if it was fixed in the 4 or not. I mean... the CPU chokes up when watching normal 1080p or 720 (high fps) videos on Youtube. I have been bumping down the quality because once the CPU throttles, it kills fps on everything....

I'm actually thinking about installing AmiDuos on my Surface so I can emulate an Android tablet and install apps like Waze and whatnot. Then I only need to mount it in the Jeep and I got big screen GPS... lol

 

[Root Moose]

I don't understand these comments about Macs not allowing people to tinker. I've seen this comment on this site a few times lately and am curious.

It's a full blown UNIX workstation under the GUI, people realize this, right? It has pretty much full access to the universe of open source software as a result.

What could a Windows computer offer for tinkering that a full blown UNIX workstation doesn't?

I don't get it.

2¢

 

[kojackJKU]

please provide me some proof that you can run anything other than OSX programs on a stock mac. They are locked down. For profits of course. Mac is actually so far behind the times in computing that it's laughable.