Todd780
OverCamper
Exactly. You could have a million mile '96 Neon if you wanted to......The service life for anything is infinite provided you keep throwing money and parts at it.
Exactly. You could have a million mile '96 Neon if you wanted to......The service life for anything is infinite provided you keep throwing money and parts at it.
This one was impressive:As @XJLI said, you can keep anything going. Typically, it’s not a longevity problem, but a money problem.
I mean, I can honestly say I’ve seen as many series and D1 LR’s on the road as 40’s, 60’s and 80’s.
This one was impressive:
Irv Gordon, Guinness World Record Holder Who Put 3.2 Million Miles on His Volvo P1800, Has Died
He was 77.www.roadandtrack.com
I watched a video of the story and I think he's basically re-built the car 2-3 times....I highly doubt Volvo designed the car with a service life more than std., the simple nature of of vehicles, just like the Rovers and 40's, 60's and 80's make it possible.
This one was impressive:
Irv Gordon, Guinness World Record Holder Who Put 3.2 Million Miles on His Volvo P1800, Has Died
He was 77.www.roadandtrack.com
I watched a video of the story and I think he's basically re-built the car 2-3 times....I highly doubt Volvo designed the car with a service life more than std., the simple nature of of vehicles, just like the Rovers and 40's, 60's and 80's make it possible.
That Volvo in the 60's was probably considered high tech at the time and in no way a viable care 25+ years down the road....Yea, simple definitely make things easier. But it isn't impossible to go just as long with vehicles equipped with newer tech.. it just might take some slightly more expensive parts, and different kinds of tinkering. That Volvo guy is from my hometown, I saw it once or twice at local car shows.
As for the service life, apparently the official Toyota specs are 186k miles X 3 rebuilds (per the FSM). There is a lot of disagreement on this however, as not even the most meticulous 80 series owners would tear down a perfectly running engine at 186k, which is in fact considered fairly low mileage by much of the 80 series community. Perhaps Toyota recommended this with harsh global environments in mind?
186k miles = 300k kmNo, it's 300,000 km X3 before a rebuild, so over 500K miles.
If that is true, my guess is this is where the 'designed to last' 500k miles probably came from. They engines are 'designed' to be serviceable where most are not and from memory Toyota had OEM oversized pistons in the supply chain to enable this....which we'd never see with a domestic rig. With that said, 186k miles is not much for an engine, domestic or otherwise....but knowing Japanese, it was conservative....but as you point out, HIGHLY dependent on environment. They may of had a FSM for US specific where miles were assumed to be a mix of highway and city....186k/35-40mph average (based on some research) = 5300 - 4600 hours, call it 5,000 which seems about right for a gas engine, diesels (like the 5.9 Cummins) is generally considered a 10,000 hour engine.A lot of good info here, thanks for the input.
I'm working on the VCG/plugs and wires/hoses now.
Between Partsouq, McGeorge, and specialty outlets like Witsend, I haven't found OEM parts very hard to come by at all. I ordered NGK for the plugs.
Also @MOAK where did you get that they need a top end rebuild at the 150k interval? I've talked to several Cruiser mechanics and they told me the HG "issue" is mostly overblown for the 1fz, and that plenty of them go to 300k+ without being torn into. If you're really worried you could catch most of them with an oil/coolant analysis and a compression/leakdown test.
As for the service life, apparently the official Toyota specs are 186k miles X 3 rebuilds (per the FSM). There is a lot of disagreement on this however, as not even the most meticulous 80 series owners would tear down a perfectly running engine at 186k, which is in fact considered fairly low mileage by much of the 80 series community. Perhaps Toyota recommended this with harsh global environments in mind?
186k miles = 300k km
Right, but that's assuming two rebuilds at the 300k km interval. And then some claim a new top end is needed every 150k or so, as was stated earlier in this thread. Then there's the whole "25 year service life" mantra. It can get pretty confusing.That's right, and 300,000 KM X 3 = 900,000 KM. That's about 550K miles, yes? This figure is per Beno, Cruiser guru on IH8MUD.
Right, but that's assuming two rebuilds at the 300k km interval...
That's why I've been trying to equate it to hours...hours are the only thing that really makes sense to a certain extent. I bet those mine trucks see on average 8 hrs a days x 365 = 3000 hrs/year or over that (3) years about 10,000 hrs.....which is about right for a diesel, but I'd guess the rest of the drivetrain is just as trashed and the engine.Right, but that's assuming two rebuilds at the 300k km interval. And then some claim a new top end is needed every 150k or so, as was stated earlier in this thread. Then there's the whole "25 year service life" mantra. It can get pretty confusing.
I mean, for the 70 series used in Canadian salt mines, Toyota estimates a service life of around 3 years. If an 80 series was used for leisurely highway trips and tooling around the suburbs, it might last 400k miles before any engine work is needed (if one could afford the petrol). If used as a mining truck, bush basher etc., it might indeed require a rebuild at 200k or earlier. Especially with the lower quality fuel in some parts of the world.