Is the Ranger the Hilux we've been wanting?

BigSwede

The Credible Hulk
I haven't driven a Ranger, but hopefully they are better than the F150... our fleet trucks are F150s and they are brutal. I drove one yesterday and every bump or manhole cover made the whole truck shudder and the door squeek. And it doesn't even have 30k miles on it yet. Even the slightest attempt to accelerate requires a downshift, even though it is a V8. The cruise control buttons are a disgrace, six flat identically shaped buttons that are impossible to operate without taking your eyes off the road. Granted, it is a base work model, but still.
 
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My coworker had an ecoboost F150, which he loved, until the motor done blowed up. Now he drives a 5 liter and is happy with it.

I have had both in work trucks. There is nothing wrong with the 5.0, but there is also nothing special about it. The 3.5 humiliates the 5.0 when it comes to towing.
 
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I haven't driven a Ranger, but hopefully they are better than the F150... our fleet trucks are F150s and they are brutal. I drove one yesterday and every bump or manhole cover made the whole truck shudder and the door squeek. And it doesn't even have 30k miles on it yet. Even the slightest attempt to accelerate requires a downshift, even though it is a V8. The cruise control buttons are a disgrace, six flat identically shaped buttons that are impossible to operate without taking your eyes off the road. Granted, it is a base work model, but still.

Of course it down shifts...it has 10 gears to choose from and wants to keep the motor in its power band where it is more efficient.

As for the ride quality, it could be that the tires are at their max PSI.

Also, I have no problem with the steering wheel controls on mine... It's not like they move around on ya...haha.
 

shade

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Of course it down shifts...it has 10 gears to choose from and wants to keep the motor in its power band where it is more efficient.
AT behaviour is something drivers will just have to roll with in the coming years. It's one of the areas that can see fuel economy gains without too much effort, so OEMs are working that angle.

In some hybrid cars, there really isn't a transmission. The "gearing" is accomplished by varying the load on the alternator/motor, without a physical connection between the engine and the wheels. The only time the crankshaft is physically connected is when the drive system decides it's most efficient to engage a clutch to lock the engine to the wheels.
 
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AT behaviour is something drivers will just have to roll with in the coming years. It's one of the areas that can see fuel economy gains without too much effort, so OEMs are working that angle.

In some hybrid cars, there really isn't a transmission. The "gearing" is accomplished by varying the load on the alternator/motor, without a physical connection between the engine and the wheels. The only time the crankshaft is physically connected is when the drive system decides it's most efficient to engage a clutch to lock the engine to the wheels.

Actuailly, the new 10 speed that Ford and GM use will taylor its self to match the drivers inputs.

My wifes Fusion is a Hybrid and it does all kinds of high tech voodoo to get its self down the road. What I like doing it raising the hood and asking someone to help me find the fan belt or alternator.
 

shade

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The "It keeps shifting all the time!" complainers are going to have to get over it, drive older vehicles, or select from a shrinking pool of MT options.
 

locrwln

Expedition Leader
Personally, I see the Chevrolet Bison as the Hilux we have been wanting. Diesel engine, front and rear lockers, 1,600 pound payload.

Which my wife and I really like except for the "you can have it in any color you like as long as it's RED" part of Chevy's idea. Had a couple of red trucks/vehicles over the years and don't really want another. Not sure if they are going to change that in the future (I wish they would), but having the Bison package only available in one color makes no sense.

Jack
 

shade

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I hope we can put the late unpleasantness behind us and move on.

Looks like the Ranger is selling well enough to stick around a few years, and they haven't had to fuel its return with huge incentives.


 

calicamper

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Actuailly, the new 10 speed that Ford and GM use will taylor its self to match the drivers inputs.

My wifes Fusion is a Hybrid and it does all kinds of high tech voodoo to get its self down the road. What I like doing it raising the hood and asking someone to help me find the fan belt or alternator.
Wifes Energi has been a impressive ride. 70+mpg commuter average. Charged both directions. I want a truck that runs EV 15-25 miles. All my kids sports and activities have my Sequoia doing 15mpg.
 

calicamper

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That's entirely possible today.

I think the problem comes about when you decide to do something else - something more - with the truck.
You mean like 3L V6 400hp and the EV portion is 50hp and another 150ftlb of torque? I have a hard time understanding what else it won’t do? Ford didn’t derate the new Plugin Aviator.
 

shade

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You mean like 3L V6 400hp and the EV portion is 50hp and another 150ftlb of torque? I have a hard time understanding what else it won’t do? Ford didn’t derate the new Plugin Aviator.
I thought you meant a pure EV truck. My point was that a pure EV truck can do what you asked, but it might underwhelm in many other trucky categories.

Good for Ford on the hybrid front, but I'll be surprised if many people are happy driving a $70,000 vehicle that weighs 6000 lbs, and has 50hp to move it along. Very few miles will be covered by a Lincoln Aviator solely in EV mode. The hybrid side has more to do with performance and marketing than anything else, IMO.
 
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Wifes Energi has been a impressive ride. 70+mpg commuter average. Charged both directions. I want a truck that runs EV 15-25 miles. All my kids sports and activities have my Sequoia doing 15mpg.

We originally wanted the Energi, but the tiny trunk was a deal killer.

An F150 version of the Energi would be pretty slick.
 

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