SSF556
SE Expedition Society
$10K? You have no idea!
It’s Here! Jeep Wrangler with Diesel News
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SSF556
SE Expedition Society
I am not here to educate you on battery electric, that is up to you. I am a diesel guy (I have 15-20 years left in my career and I "might" be selling electric motors before I retire). I have seen what it will cost to manufacture and put into production tractor (semi) and without significant gov't subsidies the market is years away from being financially optimized. The other issue at hand is the shear amount of money needed for R&D and there is the potential for several auto and truck manufacturers to not make the transition. The big 3 (USA and Europe) are bleeding huge amounts of cash with little ROI at the moment.
Lastly there is the significant infrastructure issue at hand. To make electric work we will need to rely even more heavily on fossil fuels (natural gas). And don't get me started on Hydrogen power....
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Justincredible
Adventurer
So you're just speculating.
I agree the infrastructure needs to be beefed up as electric cars become more mainstream, and charging times need to come down before they'll even approach the number of internal combustion cars sold, but starting just next year most major auto manufacturers plan to have an e-vehicle in their lineup, and many are shooting for the sub $35k mark.
New Long-Range, Affordable Electric Cars Coming Soon - Consumer Reports
Not all EVs are expensive, Consumer Reports says. A new wave of affordable electric cars from Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, and Tesla will be on sale soon, boasting mainstream looks, low prices, and long ranges.
Finally!! Keeping fingers crossed.
SSF556
SE Expedition Society
Every single person is speculating...even the God to many, Elon Musk. Did you know that back in 1900 EVs made up 28% of the car market. EVs have ebbed and flowed in popularity since the late 1800s and have been the cause of speculation ever since the battery was invented! Granted the interest and technology has improved but still a plug in electric vehicle represents about 1 out of every 250 vehicles sold in the world today...which is less than 1/2 a percent.So you're just speculating.
I agree the infrastructure needs to be beefed up as electric cars become more mainstream, and charging times need to come down before they'll even approach the number of internal combustion cars sold, but starting just next year most major auto manufacturers plan to have an e-vehicle in their lineup, and many are shooting for the sub $35k mark.
New Long-Range, Affordable Electric Cars Coming Soon - Consumer Reports
Not all EVs are expensive, Consumer Reports says. A new wave of affordable electric cars from Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, and Tesla will be on sale soon, boasting mainstream looks, low prices, and long ranges.www.consumerreports.org
Also I think there are other places to discuss this on the forum.
billiebob
Well-known member
a few facts from countries embracing zero emissions
electrek.co
and
nltimes.nl
I know North Americans are scared of the change but around the world a lot of countries are moving away from fossil fuel.
India
China
www.forbes.com
India & China, 1/3 of the worlds population are embracing electric vehicles. Those of us not making the change will soon become third world countries.
Electric car sales grew by 40% in Norway this year
Norway is the leading market for electric vehicles and it keeps showing the rest of the world how fast electric...
electrek.co
and
Electric car sales in Netherlands to double next year: auto association
The sale of electric cars in the Netherlands will double next year, the RAI Association expects. This is largely thanks to an increasing supply of more affordable models with a larger radius in what they can do, NU.nl reports. "From 2018 more and more new models of electric cars will be...
nltimes.nl
I know North Americans are scared of the change but around the world a lot of countries are moving away from fossil fuel.
India
China
Electric Car Sales Are Surging In China [Infographic]
China leads the world in electric vehicle sales by a massive distance.
www.forbes.com
India & China, 1/3 of the worlds population are embracing electric vehicles. Those of us not making the change will soon become third world countries.
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billiebob
Well-known member
This is a new product, with volume all products get more affordable. Heck the first home computers 40 years ago cost more than todays smart phones. Cars cost thousands of dollars until Henry Ford invented the production line and mass production making the Model T an affordable $400. The benefits to electric vehicles are enormous. Fueling while parked. Or in commercial trucks, fueling at the loading dock. Gas Bars will be history. Every year solar gets more affordable and capable. All the tanker trucks will be parked, recycled. As for mass transit, the London Tube was running on electricity before the car was invented. You guys are to focused on popular media and corporate protection of the status quo.
Electric vehicles offer an enormous economic opportunity.
billiebob
Well-known member
Unfortunately North American Auto Makers are grasping at straws to prolong their cash cows. It would be so much better if we had Corporations with balls to meet the market demands. 30 years ago a Wrangler diesel pickup would have been a great idea. Today, an electric Wrangler is the ticket.
AbleGuy
Officious Intermeddler
Oh
I mostly agree, but I’d say its a “euphemism,” not a lie, because those marketing folks ? never, ever lie to us.
I mostly agree, but I’d say its a “euphemism,” not a lie, because those marketing folks ? never, ever lie to us.
AbleGuy
Officious Intermeddler
Great idea, ?? SSF556, pls go ahead set up a thread for this topic and then link it here. Thx mucho.
F350joe
Well-known member
Buy a diesel Jeep now and in a decade or two, convert to electric. Maybe those big Tesla semi batteries will start showing up on auction sites by the time the Jeep wears out. The torque from the semi truck motor would probably make a Jeep jump out of a hole in granny gear. Zero emissions aside, it would just be fun.
AbleGuy
Officious Intermeddler
(Since that other, new thread for this off topic discourse hasn’t yet materialized...I’ll comment here ?)
This trend seems to be coming truer and truer. My nephew, who lives and works in Munich, just recently visited me and in our discussions about the differences in US and European transportation, he told me that two major car companies there (BMW and I think Mercedes) we’re starting to phase out diesel engine cars in Europe. This was first hand knowledge from him, not conjecture. So, yeah, it looks like it’s starting to happen.
This trend seems to be coming truer and truer. My nephew, who lives and works in Munich, just recently visited me and in our discussions about the differences in US and European transportation, he told me that two major car companies there (BMW and I think Mercedes) we’re starting to phase out diesel engine cars in Europe. This was first hand knowledge from him, not conjecture. So, yeah, it looks like it’s starting to happen.