Jerry Cans

[asteffes]

I have not noticed any problems with leakage or fumes with the Scepter cans any more than I have experienced with Wedco or Blitz cans. One of the problems we face in California (and is being adopted in other states) is the requirement for a special nozzle to reduce emissions lost to the atmosphere while transferring fuel. The fine for selling non-compliant cans is currently $25,000 (ouch!). Scepter so far has come up with the best solution we have seen in that they have a compliant nozzle and the can as an internal threaded opening that will accept a Blitz nozzle as well. They also have another nozzle used by the military that is available (fancy that they don't have to comply whereas the citizens do...).

I have a two gallon Scepter-made can at home that has the icky CARB-compliant nozzle fitting on it. It sucks. I don't see anything specific on Pangaea's website, but are the nice five gallon "MIL-spec" cans they offer legal for California? Specifically, I'm talking about these:

http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com/scepter/

They certainly don't look like anything I've seen for sale in CA.

 

[elcoyote]

The Mil Spec Scepter can is exactly what we will be using. The CARB compliant nozzle is an add on accessory, I must sell one nozzle with every sale of cans in California. The MFC nozzle also screws on to the same can but I cannot sell them in California or other states that have adopted the rule. The problem is not so much the design of the nozzles as is the requirements of the rule about flow rates that dictated the design. Obviously the writer of the rule never tried to dispense 5 gal of fuel into a tank in their life! CARB in their infinite wisdom determined that "Portable gas cans now account for about 87 tons per day (TPD) of reactive organic gases (ROG) escaping into California's air. " That's almost 25,000 gallons of gasoline!...from gas cans??? C'mon... From my experience, the new fangled nozzles spill just as much. I think they are smoking crack up there in Sacramento.

Hey Mike, you'll get a chance to see it on Friday!

 

[flyingwil]

I have used metal cans for years but have been frustrated by the upkeep i.e. rusting & denting. I really liked the Scepter cans when I saw them at SEMA last year. They are tough: don't dent and don't rust. Just for giggles we ran over one filled with water and nothing happened. Cool I thought but no one seemed to be making an affordable and versatile holder for them...so heck, I designed one instead (the curse of the insomniac!) We are making a run of 250 out of 11 gauge (1/8" thick) powder coated steel to see just how much interest there will be. It can be mounted on 4 of it's 6 sides and is lockable. Here's a drawing for those who might be interested. Let me know what you think.

What can't you make? Mario you allways amaze me! The Spec's look great.

 

[elcoyote]

Actually what I make best is Margueritas from scratch :beer: ...it's all downhill from there man :xxrotflma

 

[elcoyote]

Well here's the prototype holder. I have to say, it's pretty darn stout with 11 gauge. Probably serve as a skid plate in a pinch :xxrotflma It fits the Scepter cans that is was designed for nicely. It also fit the older Blitz and it checks out nicely with the NATO can.

I made a few changes to the design today to make it fit a little snugger but other than that, she's good to go. Tomorrow after a coat of paint, I snap a few more glamour shots for y'all.

 

[flyingwil]

Looking good Mario!

:bowdown:

 

[Desertdude]

Nice work "El" - artistic too :bowdown:

 

[elcoyote]

Thanks DD. It's just the neanderthal need to tag stuff

 

[OverlandZJ]

Very nice Mario.

When will you be running the production on these? I just picked up two Sceptor cans and will need mounts. If you know pricing etc please PM me the info as i need them for a trip this coming June.

Thanks.

 

[DaveInDenver]

CARB in their infinite wisdom determined that "Portable gas cans now account for about 87 tons per day (TPD) of reactive organic gases (ROG) escaping into California's air. " That's almost 25,000 gallons of gasoline!...from gas cans??? C'mon... From my experience, the new fangled nozzles spill just as much. I think they are smoking crack up there in Sacramento.

Those carriers look great Mario! I hit you with a PM about them.

BTW, could be 25,000 gallons if you think about all the lawn mowers, chain saws, etc. that might be filled in the state in a day. I dunno, maybe?

 

[Doin_It]

in California (and is being adopted in other states) is the requirement for a special nozzle to reduce emissions lost to the atmosphere while transferring fuel. The fine for selling non-compliant cans is currently $25,000 (ouch!).

I'm surprised they don't fine you guys for "breaking wind" down in Ca.

 

[HongerVenture]

I'm surprised they don't fine you guys for "breaking wind" down in Ca.

I'm sure they're trying... probably deadlocked in the legislature about how to prosecute in instances of "silent but deadly."

 

[HongerVenture]

On topic reply...

Mario, are you going to sell those carriers sans an Adventure Trailer? Do you have a starting price point or should we PM you?

Regards,
Joel

 

[HongerVenture]

VikingVince found a way to have 2 jerry can swing away mounts and retain his stock bumper. It's really slick and very original.
...
Maybe someone who went to Baja with Vince has a better pic.....?

Hot dang! I'm very interested in how Vince pulled that off. Any comments out there? Any up-close pictures from anyone else? I'm very interested in this approach.

Joel

 

[p1michaud]

Scepter cans

Mario, I've heard some issues about fumes and leakage with the Scepter cans. Does this not jibe with your experience?

Jonathan,
I own both a fuel and water can made by Scepter and have not had any issues with their gas can. I've carried one laying on it's side bouncing arround in the back of the truck with no leaks or fumes. I've got a sleeping deck under a Leer shell and the fuel can is below the deck. No issues with fumes or leaking, you just have to make sure they are closed tight. Using the spout sometimes causes minor dripps due to gas getting caught in the vent line as you tip the can upside down.

As for the water can, well I've had an issue with it. I closed all the caps as tight as I dared without breaking them and the darn thing still leaked. To Scepter's defence, they sent me a replacement free of changed and even paid for me tor return the defective one. I can't report on the new one yet since I have not tested it.
There is more info here and here on the Scepter cans for those who may be interested in buying them.
Cheers :beer:,
P