JK aux fuel tank

i wanna see that. especially the battery- relocation...
post on :)

Yes, I'd like to see where the batteries are going to end up too :sombrero:

The bulk of the Earth Roamer interior is disassembled (read: removed via saws-all), and is going through a complete redesign... I know, I know- we're crazy over here in Oregon... must be the rain.

Anyways, the original thought was that the batteries would need to move somewhere inside the cabin, as I just can't seem to find anywhere else to put even one of them. However today, I came up with what I think is a pretty good plan, and will likely be the direction that I go with the battery relocation: cut out the storage cubby in the floor, fab up a sealed box, and place them there.

**If anyone out there thinks that this is a lousy idea, please feel free to speak up!**

The tank should go in this week, and the process has commenced... the battery compartment though- well, that will take a bit longer to complete. Hopefully I'll get some install pics of the tank up here in the next few days.

Boy, whoever owns that EarthRoamer Jeep is a lucky duck. I hear that they get really crappy fuel economy, especially in a headwind or when off-roading . . . sometimes barely making double digits. It'd be really nice to get 400 miles of range instead of just a couple hundred. :sombrero:

Yep, he's a happy camper!

I've got two of his rigs at my shop right now- the EarthRoamer XV-JP, and a pretty nice little Tacoma 4-door that I've gone through pretty extensively at this point. I've added, subtracted, cut, welded, rewired, re-sprung, and "functional tested" both of these vehicles, and the guy just gets more and more stoked! I'm always happy to work with folks like that.

The range of the EarthRoamer will be essentially doubled- which is a good thing, as a typical on-road highway tank seems to average around 12.5 MPG, and I'm guessing that this guy will be pretty darn pleased with the extended range. Aside from this tank install and battery relocation, there are other aspects of the vehicle that might lend themselves well to a "build thread"- perhaps I'll get one of those going at some point.
 
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It's in!

Good news for those who are wondering if a Long Ranger auxiliary fuel tank will fit in a U.S.A. spec JK 4-door... oh yes, like a glove.

It was a long day of work on the XV-JP today. First was the task of uninstalling the auxiliary batteries to make room for the new Long Ranger fuel tank that will be taking up the space where the batteries currently live:

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For what it's worth, here's a pic of the storage compartment under the floor in the rear of the EarthRoamer. This is where I intend to put the two group 31 auxiliary batteries- if I can somehow make them fit:

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I measured and remeasured this space a couple of times, and I think that if I cut out the floor, cut out the box, fab up a new box about 1/2" deeper, 1" wider, and about 2" longer, not to mention square instead of rounded corners, they'll be a perfect fit. I'll model it up before any cutting though... just to make sure.

Installation of the Long Ranger fuel tank required 4 holes do be drilled through two different chassis cross-members, 2 holes in each. The first hole is required so that a heat shield can be placed to protect the fuel tank from the hot exhaust pipe. Here's a pic of the heat shield in place, batteries out of the way, and the area cleared for installation of the fuel tank:

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There are a couple of ways that the installation steps can be altered to break up the work a bit, so that all of your time isn't spent under the truck. One of the steps is to install a breather for the Long Ranger tank. This requires one to cut the factory breather tube, place a little metal fitting to fill the section that you cut out, then attach it all with hose clamps. Sounds easy, right? Well it would be if there was any other way to access this thing. The only access though, is through the left rear taillight hole, and it's difficult to fit both arms in there to do the work. Here's the finished product of that step, looking forward through the taillight hole:

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The tank requires a bit of servicing and build-up before it gets installed. The first thing that I did was to thoroughly vacuum out the tank. It was pretty clean in there, but there were a few metal shavings (I suspect from fabrication) in there, so I'm glad I took the time to take this precaution. A bit of time spent in prep is a lot easier than changing out a damaged fuel pump.

Before the tank is mounted, the installer need to add a couple of things- the fuel gauge sender unit, a breather hose between the two high points of the tank, the filler hose to the main tank, and the fuel pump:

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The next big step is to test fit the tank. It's hard to maneuver it in there, especially by one's self, and a floor jack came in quite handy. Once the tank is in place, the next step is to drill more holes through the cross-members to mount it, 1 in the front, and 2 in the rear. It's important that the holes are in the correct location, otherwise there may be some driveline interference when you're flexed. Tip: you'll need a very long 3/8" drill bit for the rear right hole.

Once the holes are drilled, you get to practice your skills as a contortionist. This was my least favorite part of the install- you're all crossed up, then your neck, arm, whatever, gets tired, then cramps up and causes you to drop a nut that you were trying to place right into a cutout of the cross-member. Then the whole thing comes out, you retrieve the nut, and start over. meh. As a side note- if you're planning this install, be it known that there's no room for mechanics gloves, and you'll probably cut up your hands really nicely. If your day job is being a hand model or something, you'll probably want to have this tank professionally installed.

Anyways, here's what it'll look like when you *finally* get the thing in:

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After you finally get this thing all bolted up, you feel pretty good- it's in! then you remember that you still have some plumbing to do, not to mention that you still have to relocate the emissions goodies. Actually, the emissions goodies are supposed to be relocated prior to final installation. I believe that on a typical JK 4-door that this option would be the best route to go. However, because of several factors of what;s under the EarthRoamer, I though it to be best to save that step until after the tank was in. Hopefully I don't kick myself for this later! Here's the rear of the tank prior to finishing up the plumbing:

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A lousy shot, I know, but it was the end of a long day. I'll get some more pics up later this week when I finish the plumbing and emissions goodies re-installation and relocation.

:victory:
 
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TCM

Adventurer, Overland Certified OC0006
Now that we know the Long Ranger Tank will fit in a US spec JK, with a little prodding maybe ARB will consider importing these to the US as a regularly stocked item instead of a special order.
 

alosix

Expedition Leader
Will be interesting to see how it deals with the extra weight of now 2 full fuel tanks and the relocation of the group 31s.

The last ER JK I saw has JCOS on the rear and what I'm guessing were AEV rear springs.. Is that the common setup for those?

Jason
 
Will be interesting to see how it deals with the extra weight of now 2 full fuel tanks and the relocation of the group 31s.

The last ER JK I saw has JCOS on the rear and what I'm guessing were AEV rear springs.. Is that the common setup for those?

Jason

This XV-JP is now sporting a suspension menagerie, and it's working out great: Teraflex rear track bar, rear track bar relocation, and long arms front and rear, AEV components including Nth degree high steer kit and 3.5" lift (with 4.5" rear springs for the additional weight of the XV-JP), OEM track bar up front, electronic disconnect front sway bar, and a very beefy rear sway bar to keep things on the up and up around town. It actually handles very well.

I believe that when interior is completed and installed, two tanks of fuel, and the auxiliary batteries relocated to the rear, it should drive and handle quite nicely, as well as have a pretty even stance. There's been a lot of thought that has gone into this, and so far, we've been doing pretty well.



Wha?!?!?:Wow1:

Totally... crazy, no? The fact is though, that there were a lot of things about the"stock" XV-JP that worked, but for this particular application, weren't quite how the owner wanted them. Pics and writeup will be posted in a separate thread sometime in the future.

Im sorry for the hi-jack but I have a question. I see the tanks a really close (IMHO) to the driveshaft. Is there any known cases or fears of a driveshaft failure damaging the tank?

No worries at all. I did a LOT of research before making this mod... particularly when the tank had to be pre-paid, no warranty and/or guarantee to fitment whatsoever, and had never been fitted to a U.S.-spec vehicle before.

You're right though, the tank is close. however, it actually has a bit more clearance than the stock tank- not by much though, only about 1.8 CM more, or about 3/4". The stock tank does have a skid plate that *should* protect it a bit from damage if there were to be a driveshaft failure, and the Long Ranger does not. Keep in mind though, that this vehicle is intended for expedition and/or exploration purposes, and would typically not see the same type of abuse that say, a rock crawler would. This vehicle is certainly a capable rig, but the driver of the vehicle must keep in mind that there are inherent limitations that the EarthRoamer XV-JP has that are not the same as a normal JK.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that yes, there is a potential for damage if there were to be a driveshaft failure- probably a dent, but perhaps a hole. However, in my experience the likelihood of failure is significantly less when one is partaking in weekend (or perhaps longer on occasion) expedition-style driving/travel, rather than an activity like rock crawling or muddin'. Just my thoughts here, as well as my justification for taking on this mod. Theoretically, we could add a driveline cage/retainer (in case of failure), but I just don't see it as a major concern fr this vehicle.
 

alosix

Expedition Leader
Sounds like the suspension is dialed in pretty well there.


About the DS clearance.

On that side I'd rather have it closer than farther away. The last shaft I killed @ the t-case driving to work smacked that side of my TJ pretty good. Leaving a nice dent in the muffler. There was plenty of clearance.

I think for this setup, a broken shaft would just rub against the tank more than have enough room to '**********' it with any force.
 
Fyi-

Good news! I finished the plumbing and took the vehicle for a test drive... no lights, no codes. Apparently this tank does work in a U.S. spec JK.

*sigh of relief*

Note: FWIW, this was not an 'easy' job. It takes time, a lot more than you'd think. Also, there are a couple of specialty tools that will make the job a LOT easier, and I'd suggest taking on the project only if you are confident in your skills, and have good facilities to do this type of work in. I spanned the project over two days (1 full, and 1 partial), but feel that I could now probably do this install in one day after having this first one under my belt.
 
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AZUnlimited

Adventurer
Nice job with the tank. I was hoping it would be a simply bolt up... Post up plenty of pictures of what you have done with the interior. Always interested in seeing a new perspective on organizing space.
 

Jorsn

Adventurer
Everything running without any problems? I'm interested in doing this mod but worried about it getting punctured on rocks. Did you make a custom skid or leave it as is?
 

TCM

Adventurer, Overland Certified OC0006
Who did you work with at ARB to get this tank? I plan to order one and if I can speak with the same individual it will hopefully simplify the process a bit. Or did you work directly with Long Ranger and not ARB.
 

mhiscox

Expedition Leader
Who did you work with at ARB to get this tank? I plan to order one and if I can speak with the same individual it will hopefully simplify the process a bit. Or did you work directly with Long Ranger and not ARB.
I believe you might best contact James with a private message to get this information, along with some other details he might want you to have. Having successfully accomplished the task, he's pretty much the go-to expert on this install.
 
Who did you work with at ARB to get this tank? I plan to order one and if I can speak with the same individual it will hopefully simplify the process a bit. Or did you work directly with Long Ranger and not ARB.

I have a working relationship with ARB, as a dealer/installer for Long Ranger fuel tanks in the United States. Feel free to get in touch, and I'll be happy to get you whatever information you need.
 

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