Kids on a big GS?

Clark White

Explorer
So today I thought I'd take my friends 11yo daughter down town for some ice cream. It is only a couple blocks from here to the ice cream store with light traffic at that time of day, so we wore helmets but no other "motorcycle" gear, which the deputy thought extremely irresponsible of me. After a 15min rear end chewing my friend came down and picked up her daughter and we met at the ice cream parlor. What is everyone else's thoughts about a kid on the bike? Again, it was only a few block in light traffic, that's why I don't feel full gear was necessary. If we were going on anything longer I would insist on more gear. I don't begrudge the deputy for pulling me over for what he felt was an unsafe activity, I just want to know others opinions. I am not new to motorcycles, or to having people on them with me, so having her along was not a new idea to me. Was he over reacting or am I completely off base?

Thanks!
Clark
 
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cwsqbm

Explorer
Completely over reacting. If you're not breaking a law, which as far as I know you weren't, the deputy didn't have the RIGHT to stop you. Besides, an 11 year old girl is not a toddler and more than capable on hanging on the back of a responsibly-ridden motorcycle.

Personally, I'd file a complaint to the police department. We don't need the police acting like hover parents.
 
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I (as well as my passenger) wear all my gear on every ride, helmet, gloves, and jacket. If I am hitting the interstate or going out of town I zip the pants into the jacket. I would much rather sweat then bleed.
 

BlackWidow

Observer
After many years as a Medic I have seen first hand what happens when a motorcycle goes down. The more gear the better. I ride a Katana 750 and the rule at my house is You have to be able to touch the pegs and long pants and a jacket no matter how hot it is. I trust myself to be safe with my kids on my bike but what about the person who is talking on there cell phone or just not paying attention to a motorcycle and they hit my bike. I would rather my child be a little hot or even a little uncomfortable then to wish that I made them wear more protective clothing then to see there skin peeled off of there body and possibly be scared for life. I am not bashing you only telling you how i see it. I love my kids and want them to have fun on the back of my bike but i want them to be protected.
 

bunduguy

Supporting Sponsor
So today I thought I'd take my friends 11yo daughter down town for some ice cream.

Thanks!
Clark
I think the question is; what does your friend think? It's his daughter.
And kudos to you for actually asking, and potentially opening yourself up to very polarized and lofty opinions of many on here.
 

Dave Bennett

Adventurist
Completely over reacting. If you're not breaking a law, which as far as I know you weren't, the deputy didn't have the RIGHT to stop you.

I've never heard of ATGATT laws in any state...

That being said, I practice ATGATT and when one of my kids rides with me it's helmet, gloves closed toe shoes and jacket/long sleeves/jeans at a minimum.

I see guys on the interstate every day in flip flops, shorts, wife beater and a helmet on Hayabusas... nobody seems to pull them over LOL
 
The cop was WAY out of line.

Myself, my wife, and my daughter always wear protective clothing as well as our helmets when riding. Family rule. But there's nothing illegal about choosing to wear no protective gear.

I'm so damned tired of everyone else feeling they have the right to force others to do things. I don't care what others do until it affects me in an adverse way. You weren't hurting others and you were both wearing legally required protective helmets. The only people able to make the decision on what your 2UP was doing is her parents.


I would make a phone call to that officer's Sergeant and politely inform them what happened when you were pulled over. Maybe it's just some training that needs to happen at the department. Entirely possible the officer thought he was in his right to do what he did and needs some corrective training to become a better Peace Officer.
 

sandalscout

Adventurer
I agree with the general populous on here. I think that the officer was out of line, but I completely understand his motivation. I ride ATGATT, but I think to each there own. I also feel like a large chunk of riding I could do is not happening due to the time it requires for me to suit up, I'm starting to think I'll ride with some dragging jeans instead of full-on cordura pants now.

I once read a statistic that was something along the lines of 85% of accidents occur within 10 miles of one's home. Keeping that in mind is what keeps me putting on all my gear all the time.
 

Ray Hyland

Expedition Leader
I always try to look for the triggers or cause behind the other point of view.

The cop who pulled you over could have been scraping bits of a rider off the road the day before...

Not saying he had the right to pull you over, but sometimes something "triggers" our actions and we react more aggressively than we may have normally.

I know that when I react to a call with the fire dept, I will be more sensitive to similar scenarios for a while, and may correct my family a little more aggressively than usual, until the incident has had time to be fully processed by my subconscious.
 

Clark White

Explorer
Indeed, in talking to him it came out that he had wrecked his Harley and it sounded like he had been torn up pretty bad when he did it. We also have a lot of quad accidents with kids around here, so I can see how it is a sensitive subject for him. Around here the only law is protective eye ware, we're not even required to ware helmets. Generally I ware jacket, gloves, and at least jeans, and make the kids do the same. I didn't this time because as someone mentioned ATGATT tends to take away some of the fun, especially on a short trip on a beautiful afternoon.

I will by no means argue the risks of not wearing gear as I am well aware, but just something to think about with most accidents happening with in 10mi of home is that most of your driving is with in 10mi or home; it's not because things are more dangerous the closer to home you are. I will say, however, that the closer to home you are the less people tend to pay attention. This kind of plays into one of my favorite subjects in school, victimology. It tends to be a delicate subject to bring up, so let me explain: I in no way mean to say that the victim is in any way at fault for someone else's bad actions. That said, those classes got me thinking, and in 8yrs in EMS I have studied every accident I have been to. In darn near every case, while there was an at fault party, had the victims been paying closer attention they could have avoided the accident despite the bad moves of the at fault driver. In 10's of thousands of miles on the bike, I have never had a close call with another driver. This isn't because I'v never been riding near a bad driver, but because I recognized someone not driving well and avoided them before they did something stupid (this goes for people in traffic, inching out of a driveway, clearing intersections even though I have the green, etc.) Driving an ambulance lights and sirens has probably helped me with traffic awareness more then most people, so that is why I decided not to go ATGATT. Not to say I am ALWAYS that alert, but with a kid on the bike and only going a short distance, I am every bit that alert.

Despite the lack of law, I obviously always ware a helmet, as do the girls. Generally we all ware jacket, pants, closed toe shoes. It's very rare that I or we ride with anything less then that. While EMS has made me more aware of causes and ways to avoid accidents it has also made me very aware of just how bad it can be if you are in one on a bike. I would never tell someone to ware less gear then they choose, and often insist people I'm with ware more if they are riding on my bike. I have very few friends with kids, so no one to ask opinions of on the subject. I briefly questioned the practice of kids on the bike, regardless of gear, so while I will probably be more strict about gear with the girls I'm glad I'm not the only one who will take kids on a ride.

Thanks!
Clark
 

ben2go

Adventurer
So today I thought I'd take my friends 11yo daughter down town for some ice cream. It is only a couple blocks from here to the ice cream store with light traffic at that time of day, so we wore helmets but no other "motorcycle" gear, which the deputy thought extremely irresponsible of me. After a 15min rear end chewing my friend came down and picked up her daughter and we met at the ice cream parlor. What is everyone else's thoughts about a kid on the bike? Again, it was only a few block in light traffic, that's why I don't feel full gear was necessary. If we were going on anything longer I would insist on more gear. I don't begrudge the deputy for pulling me over for what he felt was an unsafe activity, I just want to know others opinions. I am not new to motorcycles, or to having people on them with me, so having her along was not a new idea to me. Was he over reacting or am I completely off base?

Thanks!
Clark

There are no specific laws in my area except that riders/passengers under 18 wear a DOT approved helmet.I do not know the laws in your area.I do not feel that you were wrong in your riding dress for the day.I ride my son on my bike to and from school.However,my situation is a little unique.I live in a small rural town.The police see me and my riding/driving style enough to know that I do not drive in a wreckless manner.IMHO,I think the officer that stopped you had a chip on his shoulder, and was looking to take it out on anyone that he felt was in error,whether it be unlawful or not.

Ben
 

WU7X

Snow on the Roof
My wife and I both wear ATGATT whenever we ride. Having said that, one of the thrills of my not so happy childhood back in the 50's and early 60's occurred when a neighbor would give each of the neighborhood kids a ride on his Harley Davidson. This guy was a father of two, and a gentle giant. He would have us ride behind him and would then give us each a 10-15 minute ride. He rode slowly and very carefully. No one wore helmets or any type of safety gear. It was a different time, I know, a time when neighbors knew and trusted one another with their kids. But it left a very positive, lasting impression with me to this day.

Next time, suit the young lady up. It's the safe thing to do.
 

UK4X4

Expedition Leader
All the gear all the time !

the docs then have the components to repair most of the possible damage

Loosing component parts to road rash makes the repairs 100% more dificult

The boy next door in the UK had a full off 50ft from his house when a neigbor reversed out in front of him.

Full gear- just a broken wrist.

Fate does not take time off just because its just down to the corner shop.

The cops in the UK would probably pull you too- as an adult - you have to make the right decisions for children wether yours or not

Your decision was wrong - get over it.

Don't you think the cops have it hard enough scrapping up body parts from the afor mentioned hayabusa rider in a vest and flip flops- and then the visiting the parents house to explain why their kid died and the docs could not help.

just for the sake of a pair of boots and some protective wear.

Almost all my bike riding friends have been in accidents on bikes - all ride with full gear- all luckily survived and were put back together.

its not a case of if you fall off- but simply when !

Within the group things were getting bad- all married guys with kids

- most gave up road riding and took to the track where the traffic only goes one way-
the others took to green laning where the speeds are so much slower.
 

kjp1969

Explorer
Next time, suit the young lady up. It's the safe thing to do.

The 12 year old would have had a great time even suited up. Plus, you would have avoided the confrontation. Suit her up and have a re-do. Did she ever get her ice cream? If not, you owe her!
 

Mlachica

TheRAMadaINN on Instagram
Personally it's ATGATT which for me is at least a helmet, leather jacket, gloves, jeans and above ankle riding shoes. No matter how close or far that is the minimum. I don't care how good of a rider I may be or how alert or defensive I think I am there's just some things I will not be able to prevent. But what I can try my best to prevent is a busted noggin or ground beef for skin. With the ATGATT mentallity I might just elect to drive my 80 instead of the bike for such short trips out of pure simplicity.
 

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