Lets talk portable air compressors

brianjwilson

Some sort of lost...
I helped a buddy put together a York engine driven oba setup in his TJ and it was just plain awesome. I don't know I anyone with a setup like that with the 3.6 but I would be all over it.

I agree that the mv-50 wouldn't work well with the heat of the engine bay. I was going to hard mount one in a truck bed before but never got around to it. I'm not sure how well any of the mv series compressors would work hard mounted and/or with a tank.

I did go outside and air down and re-inflate a tire with my mv-89 if anyone is interested. I'm running 35x12.50R17 KM2s. Aired down to 10psi, then I used the compressor to inflate to 26psi, run time was 2:30. My wife's car needed some air too, so I aired up a 5 gallon tank from 0psi to 60psi in around 3 minutes if I remember right. I aired the tank back up to 80psi when I was done, I don't think I've run it at higher psi than that, at least not at any significant volume. The compressor does get warm after several uses so I definitely wouldn't mount it in a confined space without good ventilation.
 

lupinsea

Observer
If you have factory A/C and don't "need" it then that can be converted over to an On-Board air system. I did this to my TJ last summer after running the mighty MV-50 for years. My goodness, why didn't I do this sooner since I had the A/C sitting there the whole time!!!!!


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Pardon the link to Jeepforum, but that's where I tend to post my write-ups:


Click the link to the write-up for details. But here's an overview:

Speed
I don't know the actual CFM of the system but it takes the following amount of time for each tire size from 14-30 psi:

45 seconds = 33x10.50
55 seconds = 33x12.50
70 seconds = 35x12.50

After running the little MV-50 for ~5 years I am freak'n LOVING this mod. I'll usually air up 2 other rigs besides mine at the end of a trail run because it's so fast.


Pressure
Don't worry about it. We only need to get up to about 30-35 psi. The factory A/C system has a high pressure switch that turns on if pressure DROPS to 350 psi and shuts off at 420+ psi. So, yeah, airing up tires is not an issue. That said, I have pressure switch in the system that turns on below 90 psi and shuts off at 120 psi.


A Simple System
Since I only wanted to air up tires I just have the lubricator, filter, pressure switch, master switch and necessary plumbing. I didn't even bother with a pressure regulator to say nothing of a lack of air tank or multi-point quick disconnects. The system uses the factory A/C compressor and the hard metal lines snaking up and over the engine. It taps into the factory air filter box for filter air. And the air lines pretty much follow the stock A/C line routing. There is a cover plate for the front bracket / coalescing filter that has the master switch mounted on it and a hole for the only quick disconnect. The quick disconenct is covered with a rubber chair leg tip to keep dust and mud out of it. It fits perfectly. For the hose, I have a regular gas-station-type air chuck with built-in pressure gage on the end of a 25 ft self coiling hose. This is kept in a small 12" tote bag from Home Depot. So much easier and faster to set up and put away than the MV-50. Lighter to haul out of storage, too.


Operation
With the engine running I just pop the hood, plug in the air hose, then flick on the master switch. That's it. The pressure switch will automatically engage the A/C clutch and run the pump until it trips the upper pressure setting. All I do is just go from tire to tire airing up . . . then handing off the air hose to a friend or two so they can air up their rigs.

The operation of the pump is surprisingly quiet itself. . . but you have the engine running with the hood open. So you have an engine idling as your noise source. MUCH quieter and less annoying than the Brrrrrrrrrrrr of an electric pump.


Cost
The system cost me ~$200 but I had to do some tight shopping and hunting for those prices. Figure maybe $250-ish if you're a little less careful. Big cost areas are the lubricator and the coalescing filter. They'll run you about ~$120+ total. The rest of the stuff will nickel and dime you to the total with another big cost point being the pressure switch (~$20) and the brass fittings.


Don't Cheap Out
Part of the cost for the lubricator and filter is that you NEED good quality, high temperature rated components. Find units with metal bowls rated to 175 F.


Ease of Install
The toughest part would be the welding and fabrication of the brackets . . . if you can't weld. The second toughest part is simply gathering all the parts. The rest of it is a matter just screwing stuff together.


Alternatives
If you don't want to give up your a/c then check out Kilby Enterprises for all the York-based OBA setups. It'll be a lot more costly but you'll get a solid system based on the york compressors which actually put out more air than this system.






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I made some brackets to hard mount the lubricator and the coalescing filter.



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The system taps into the factory air filter box above the filter. Using the
engine air filter keeps things a bit simpler.



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I spliced into the A/C clutch relay in the PDC to run a wire to my two switches
(master switch and pressure switch). This way I used the entire stock wiring
harness including fuse, relay, factory plugs, and routing out to the A/C clutch.


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This is the extent of my wiring harness. Most of it is the 3 ft lead to the PCD
that splices into the A/C clutch relay. What's seen here it an in-line set up going
to the master swtich, then from the master switch to the pressure switch, then
to ground. Pretty simple. The rest of it it uses the factory wiring harness to
the A/C clutch.


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Conceptually, the system looks like this.


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The finished system.
 
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Bigjerm

SE Expedition Society
have you considered a large capacity C02 system? i just finished building this setup for mine. i plan to supplement it with a small ARB compressor for auxiliary - but this holds nearly 4 gallons of liquid C02. it will flow 300PSI at 45CFM

I am surprised this has not been suggested more. To me the biggest problem with the CO2 is just find somewhere to fill it. I priced out a DIY kit that would come to $230 including a mount for a 10lb tank. Everything I had read says the setup can fill a 35" from 5 psi to 30 in under 2 minutes and fill a 35" tire approx 40 times on 1 tank. I borrowed a friends CO2 on one of the last rides and while my compressor was filling the front tire I filled the other 3 tires with CO2. But I do have an older compressor...

I like the compressor, its a 1 time investment of money where as CO2 you will have to refill eventually. But I have to mount a compressor, and tank if desired, run wires, switches, lines, ect and most likely it will be hard mount where as I could just pull my CO2 out. Also, my compressor is LOUD and slow and at the end of a long day I am ready to GO and not sit and wait. Many goods and bad to each system.
 

DarinM

Explorer
I have the VIAIR heavy duty kit (P/N 10005) installed on my TJ. It's a 33% duty cycle, but it's been more than adequate for my use. Most of the time it gets used to top up my motorcycle tires or my bicycle. I've also filled up a few car tires from time to time when someone needs a hand. It was reasonably priced and fairly easy to install. I have the compressor on my driver's side wheel well under the hood and I've got the tank installed inside the frame rails under my seat. It's been handy to have.
 

Dendy Jarrett

Expedition Portal Admin
Staff member
I have the ARB nicely and conveniently mounted under my hood.

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Works well for me. I have a storage tank to add in the future, ... just haven't gotten to it yet.
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LandCruiserPhil

Expedition Leader
PUMA hands down for best performance for the dollar.

I have over 100 hours on mine
No duty cycle I have run mine for 4 hours non stop
 

NOMADIC_LJ

Explorer
***UPDATE***

I had saved up some money and was all set to buy the ARB air compressor. I ended up spending that money on gifts for my kids for Christmas as our work bonus was nil this year. My air compressor project was pretty much dead. Funny how things work out though, a friend of mine gave me a brand new Master Flow MF-1050. So now I have an MV-50 and a MF-1050 (basically identical air compressors).

My plan now is to wire both of them together so I only have one positive clip and one negative clip going to the Jeep battery. I am putting both compressors in a box that will be my portable OBA. I don't want to run them parallel and have one air hose, instead I want to have two air hoses so I can air up each side of the vehicle at the same time.

I just need a little help wiring them up. Here is a diagram of what I was thinking of doing. Can some of you electrical guys take a look and tell me if this would be correct? THANK YOU!!!

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Septu

Explorer
Decided to go with a CO2 system instead of a compressor. Will still pack my tiny compressor as a backup, but feel this will work better for me. Can buy a used 15lb system for $200, or put together a 20lb system for $216.
 

HenryJ

Expedition Leader
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I just need a little help wiring them up. Here is a diagram of what I was thinking of doing. Can some of you electrical guys take a look and tell me if this would be correct? THANK YOU!!!

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You may already know, but I thought I'd add :

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Relay "activate +"(#85)
Relay feed (Normally Open #30)
Relay supply (#87)
Relay "activate - " (#86)

The compressors negative lead should be attached to a good ground. Only the switched source will go through the relay. I like to use the ground to activate the relay. That way a negative wire is passing through the firewall and poses less risk to a meltdown if it gets shorted. To activate the relay you need a positive (+) and negative (-). In your diagram you are missing the (+) ;)
My diagram above was designed for a grounded application. Used this way your positive wire would go to the battery with a fuse and the relay would complete the ground to complete the circuit.
You could also ground at the compressor and run the relay on the positive wire.

Be sure to add the appropriate sized fuse near the source (battery) and use the correct wire size for the job: Wire Gauge Table
 

Azlugz

Adventurer
I have had several MV-50's and had the 100%D.C. ViAir setup and all of them were slow, the ViAir being the worst but most reliable of those.

Then I bought my first Puma. It is a single tank version that I carry in the Jeep. Its fast and I can run air tools on it. I loved it so much I bought the twin tank big brother for my truck. Cost more than the MV-50 but half what the Viair setup was. I love the system!

Bought the single used as I had said but got the twin from Buzzard Gultch. Here is their E-Gay add but I called and chatted with them to order direct.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-HP-2-Gal-12-Volt-Puma-Compressor-New-/310309839048
 

Azlugz

Adventurer
Also, I think you will find the 3+ CFM rating on the MV-50 is incorrect and the actual is, according to most ads, 2.54 CFM but that is open circuit, not at pressure. I read somewhere it is closer to 1 CFM at 90PSI but can not locate that test article again.

So, if you are inflating an air matteress or beach toys, you could get the 2.5-3 CFM, but airing a tire in the 30-40 pound ranges you are going to be closer to 1-1.3 CFM.

The Puma is 3 CFM at 90 and 3.4 CFM at 40PSI
 

axe_handle

New member
I have the Viair 40044 on my 2012 JK, which is based on the 400c compressor. This is a full kit, and is pretty expensive. It is a full solution including a nice inflation gun with a back lit gauge. I'm really happy with it. The 400c is rated at 2.54 CFM at 0 psi, and a 33% duty cycle. As best I can tell it is the same pump as the 450c rated at 1.66 CFM and 100% duty cycle. I think the 450c is just the 400c set to run slower so it does not over run the thermal capacity. The 400c has a over temp shut-off, but I have never seen it activate. I run it flat out airing up my 32" tires from 5 psi to 38 psi, then airing up 4 35" tires from 3 psi to 31.

I melted one of the $50 portable pumps. The Viair setup I have now is no faster than the $50 pump, but the Viair is solid, and the included wiring looks factory with automotive grade Delphi connections. Wired into an SPOD this is a 30 - 45 min install.

I was going to go with a CO2 based system for the speed, but I decided that the size of a CO2 tank was a bit large and I din't want to have to deal with refilling it or running out of CO2 on the trail.
 

Bubblegoose1

@PNWINFERNOPRO
I've got a Warn VTC. Great compressor; obviously larger than most setups. Powerful and no need for plumbing or tanks.
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