Like a nervous virgin on his wedding night...

Presto88

Adventurer
I'm kind of fickle when it comes to my electronic gadgets. My first smartphone was an iPhone 3 on the AT&T network (they were the only iPhone carrier at the time). Then I switched to Sprint so I could get an HTC EVO when they first came out - mainly because I'm such a fan of Google. THEN, about a year later, I switched back to AT&T when the iPhone 4S came out - because it was new and cool. THEN, last week, I (finally!) received my new Nexus4 and signed up with TMobile - back to Android! I'm real happy with the Nexus4 so far. I think that JellyBean is a HUGE improvement over Froyo (the Android OS that I was running on my HTC).

So, I'm much happier with my Android, BUT I think a first-time smartphone user would - without a doubt! - be happier with the iPhone4S! If you want simple and easy to use, you just can't beat an iPhone! I hate to sound like a commercial, but the damn thing "just works". They do restrict your ability to change things much more than Android, but 95% of those things you won't ever want to change anyway! And you definitely want to spring for the 4S over the plain iPhone4. EASILY worth 100 bucks!

Welcome to the 21st century!
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
I dumped my iPhone 2+ years ago, don't miss it one bit. It was an iPhone 4 on AT&T, so a match made in hell. Dropped about 1-in-3 calls, terrible battery life, bulky. Went back to T-Mobile on an old Nokia flip I had and it's worked great for me (she never left, so we just share a $45/month family plan). But in fairness I never much surfed on it, I text as little as possible and already had an iPod so it was redundant for music. I just really needed a phone to be a phone.
 

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Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Well, after several weeks of thinking, considering, crunching the numbers, experimenting with smartphones at the Verizon store, etc, I have decided to .... do nothing. :sombrero:

I just can't get past the cost, and it seems like the return on it would be minimal. I have no desire to be one of those people who is constantly looking down at his phone all the time.

What I may try is upgrading my current Casio G'Zone Brigade, which has a browser and a keyboard and is "3g capable", with a data plan.

One minor, but galling, detail: Apparently now Verizon will hit you with a $30 "upgrade fee" to change your plan. I remember they used to do this if you were down grading your plan (i.e. going from a more expensive plan to a less expensive one) and that sort of made sense to me: You're creating work for them (having to change your plan and billing) and it's resulting in less income for them, so I can see them charging a fee.

But am I the only one who thinks it's very stupid for them to charge a fee when upgrading? Sure I'm creating work, but I'm also agreeing to a plan that puts MORE money in their pocket.

Now, I wasn't a business major in college, so maybe I'm just not getting the strategy here, but it seems pretty dumb to me to create a dis-incentive for people to spend more money with you.

But maybe it's just me. :rolleyes:

EDITED TO ADD: Before anyone says it, yes, I presume that if I called Verizon up and told them I was thinking about upgrading, they would probably waive the fee for me. But it still seems like a dumb move since I can switch to another carrier without incurring any additional costs and by law I can keep my old number. So unless I'm totally in love with Verizon's service and coverage area (which, sadly, I am) there's a pretty good incentive for me to jump ship to Sprint or AT&T.
 

BigSwede

The Credible Hulk
So, I'm much happier with my Android, BUT I think a first-time smartphone user would - without a doubt! - be happier with the iPhone4S! If you want simple and easy to use, you just can't beat an iPhone! I hate to sound like a commercial, but the damn thing "just works". They do restrict your ability to change things much more than Android, but 95% of those things you won't ever want to change anyway! And you definitely want to spring for the 4S over the plain iPhone4. EASILY worth 100 bucks!

Interesting, and from what I have heard, accurate. But - I recently got an android Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 for, among other things, GPS work while overlanding. So in the last month or so I have been becoming somewhat familiar with android apps and such, so I would think an android phone would be better for me, wouldn't want to clutter my feeble mind with two different OSs...
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Well, now I just feel dumb (plus a minor RANT!)

After doing some research I realized that the primary benefit I wanted to get from a smart phone (the ability to find the nearest gas station, ATM or other business) was already on the phone I have right now. All it took was for me to get a $10.00/month 75mb data plan and I got VZ Navigator for free. Tried it out last night and it works great. In fact, it even shows me the nearest gas stations - AND the prices, so I can find the cheapest one. Very cool.

And now for a (minor) Rant! :bigbossHL:

I kind of hate smart phones. Not that I have anything against the phones themselves.

(although the picture posted above of the people all obssessively staring at their phones does make me :rolleyes: a bit. Because it's accurate. It's kind of like a smartphone is an adult pacifier.)

No, what I hate about smartphones is that they are such great money makers for the electronics industry and the cell phone companies that all the innovation, development and effort is going into smartphones, which means that other types of electronics - non-smart phones in particular - are withering on the vine.

Here's what I mean: My current (non-smart) phone is a Casio G'zone Brigade.

http://www.casiogzone.com/us/brigade/default.html

For those not familiar with this line, the Casio G'Zone is a line of "ruggedized" cell phones that are designed to be shock and water resistant. Supposedly they meet some kind of military standard for shock and waterproofing. (BTW I have no idea how they came up with the name - I pronounce it "Gee-Zone" but according to Casio you're supposed to pronounce it "Jizz-One" which not only sounds a little pornographic, it's also awkward to say. :rolleyes:)

I'm on my second Gzone. My first one was a Gzone Boulder, which is a flip phone. Interestingly, when I upgraded I kept my old phone and when my brother's phone died last year he asked to use it and is still using it (he's also on Verizon so they were happy to make the switch.) AFAIK Verizon is the only carrier that ever offered the Gzone in the US.

My stepson had one of the first Gzone phones and he decided to test the waterproofing by setting the phone to "vibrate", then he put it in a glass of water and called it. My (then) 6 year old grandson thought it was the funniest thing in the world to see a line of bubbles come from the vibrating phone. However, the phone worked fine after that treatment. Now I've never dunked mine in water but I've dropped it on the ground plenty of times and I've used it in all kinds of weather conditions, and probably dropped it in the snow more than once, all without a glitch. I've also never needed a case or carrier of any kind, the phone fits in my pocket just fine.

The Brigade is a "clamshell" style phone, which I wanted because it has a full QWERTY keyboard. Even though we're in our 50's now, my wife and I have become avid texters, so we both wanted text-capable phones.

I have a few minor quibbles with the Gzone, but overall I'm very happy with it. I've had it for a little under two years now and it's never failed me.

OK, so with that preamble, yesterday I called Verizon to inquire about VZ navigator. I was under the impression that this was a service I had to subscribe to and had to have them activate. So I called the company and was put through to someone and I told him I wanted to get VZ navigator and needed to know how to do that.

He said "Oh, you can't get that on your phone, you will have to upgrade."

So I said "wait a minute, there is a setting right here on the phone for VZ navigator, how can you tell me I can't get it?"

Then he said "Well, that's a pretty old phone. It came out in 2010. I don't think it will work, and if it does, it will work very slowly. Why don't you upgrade to a smart phone? You are eligible for an upgrade and we have a great selection of smart phones?"

So I replied "I don't want or need a smart phone, I just need a phone that works and that I can use VZ navigator on."

And he came back with "Oh, well, we have some basic phones that will work, how about a XXXXX ?" (can't remember the name.)

And I said "so, does that one have a full keyboard?"

His reply: "Oh, uh, no that one doesn't have a keyboard but the XXXXXX does. How about that one?"

And I said "So, is that a 'ruggedized' phone, waterproof and shockproof?"

He said "Uh, no but we can sell you a case for it that will protect it. And if you want a ruggedized phone, you can get a XXXXX."

I came back with "Yes, but that's a flip phone that doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard, right?"

He said "Yes, that's correct, it doesn't have a full keyboard."

:bigbossHL: :bigbossHL: :bigbossHL: :bigbossHL:

Now I realize that the Brigade may be something of an oddball in terms of phones, but it pi$$es me off to no end that 3 years ago I could buy a rugged, non-smart phone that had internet browsing and navigator capabilities, AND a full keyboard, but I can't buy a phone like that today (at least not from Verizon or Sprint) as the Brigade is apparently no longer in production.

But you go to their web site and they have about 100 different smartphones they will sell me. Of course a smartphone requires a minimum $30/month data plan, as well as a $30 "upgrade" fee (see above about my rants on THAT subject.)

And that's my sore point - instead of developing other products like better ruggedized phones or better MP3 players, all the effort is going into smartphones.

I mean, I get it - a smart phone is a big money maker for everyone. Verizon could sell me a phone ($), then sell me a data plan ($$), then if I go over my limit they can zap me with an overage charge ($$$), and of course I will probably want to get some "apps", and I'm sure Verizon gets a piece of that action, too ($).

But I hate the way Smartphones are becoming the be-all and end-all of electronic technology. I mean, I guess it's cool that one handheld device can replace your phone, your GPS, your MP3 player and your camera, but not everybody wants or needs one device to do all those things, and of course there's the issue of "jack of all trades/master of none."

So there's my rant. :D

Fortunately for me, my Brigade is still going strong. I guess sooner or later I'm going to need a new battery (although even two years on I'm still only charging once a week or so.) Eventually I know that either Verizon will stop supporting old phones like my Casio, or something will happen that will require me to get a smartphone, but until that happens, I'll remain a semi-luddite with my rugged Casio.

(And before anyone say it, yes I know Casio makes a Gzone smart phone, the Commando. I still have no interest in it.)
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
One nice thing about T-Mobile is they use GSM, which makes switching phones easy. I browse eBay and occasionally pick up another old phone, usually an old Motorola Razr (she likes them) or Nokia of some type (which is what I use). Usually end up winning a bid for something silly. Point being rather than spending a bunch of money on ruggedized, fancy phones we just use them until they break, R&R the SIM card and bada bing, bada boom you're done for a few bucks. Heck, if you're worried about it on a trip you can take 2 or 3 if you want. There is an endless supply of those old phones, tens of millions of them. The main problem is batteries are usually toast in them, so periodically you have to drop some money for a new one. No need for anti-drop cases, belt holders, you run 'em like a rental and pretty much don't give it a second thought.
 
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Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
No need for anti-drop cases, belt holders, you run 'em like a rental and pretty much don't give it a second thought.

Well if I had T-mobile my phone would last a long time because I would leave it at home when I left the city limits. :D

Wife had T-mobile when we first met. We quickly learned that there was no point in taking it with us when we traveled outside the metro area as there was never any service. Even along I-70 she rarely had service.
 

RangeBrover

Explorer
T-Mobile is garbage, Martinjmpr isn't kidding, go a few miles outside of a major metro area and you might as well start sending smoke signals.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
We have T-Mobile, it's never been a problem for us. I went back to it after 2 years on AT&T, which was terrible. We've never had Verizon, I don't want a CDMA phone.

We're not what you would call power users by any stretch (we might use 100ish out of network minutes a month) so I'm also not suggesting we're ideal examples. We're on their cheapest, no-contract shared plan.
 
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