Looking at a 4wd van, need some advice

ert01

Adventurer
Am I ok to run these 285's on a 7" wide rim? Seems most (if not all?) factory ford take offs are 7" wide rims and BFG recommends an 8" for these tires.

I am concerned with the tread being aggressively worn in the middle if I got with the narrow factory rims but is it really that much of a concern?

I can find factory take offs for cheap ($200 for a set) but all I see are in the 8x170mm. So I would need to run adapters and even the eBay cheap ones run $200 for a set of 4 shipped.

So at $400+ I would still be on the narrow rims.

Or I could just buy a brand new set of procomp pxa1069-6882's from 4wheel here for $550. And they would be the correct 8" wide rim.

Both have comparable weight ratings and they look pretty similar, so is the extra 1" for $150 (+/-) worth it?
 

ert01

Adventurer
Well along those lines then, if I'm buying new wheels, should I use 8" or 10" width? Price is pretty much the same...
 

Mwilliamshs

Explorer
Well along those lines then, if I'm buying new wheels, should I use 8" or 10" width? Price is pretty much the same...

BFG recommends an 8" for these tires.

Uhm...I promise I'm not trying to be a jerk but the tire maker says 8, and you're asking a bunch of interweb yahoos if they're right? Do you have reason to suspect BFG of lying to you? I usually try for the "measured rim width" but anything in the acceptable rim width spec range (usually about 2") is uhm, acceptable.
 

ert01

Adventurer
I only ask because this size and weight of vehicle is new to me and I'm hoping others have had experience where I haven't. If everyone just goes by the manufacturers recommendations, then that's fine. I just thought maybe someone had better luck trying something slightly different. We are not exactly building and driving these vehicles in a manner that most manufacturers would anticipate.

Their recommendations usually cater to the 99% who never leave pavement or gravel.

Heck, my van wasn't engineered by ford to have a transfer case under it but yet someone pushed the envelope a bit and made it fit and work well and now my van is far better because of it.

It never hurts to ask what others have tried and what their experience has been.
 

philos

Explorer
Nice score on the TS chip! It's on my future list of items to get... Some folks here prefer DP, but for the price difference between the two I'm saving for the TS...
 

Mwilliamshs

Explorer
BFG A/T KO 285/75-16 spec a 7.5-9" wide wheel.

BFG A/T KO 315/70-17 spec a 8.5-11" wide wheel.

You want to go .5" narrower than that spec on the 285s (7" wheel) and in the next post Agile Offroad says they've been going .5" narrower on the 315s (8" wheel) for years. Just the facts I reckon. Success breeds success so they say. A 34.4" tire <> a 35" tire btw and in spite of being a "315" those only have a 10.4" tread width so I bet a narrower wheels fits great, as it does in a 265, which that tire really is. 315/25.49= those tires should be 12.35" wide, and they are, but only in section, not tread. Lame.

B.F. Goodrich very much expects and designs their All-Terrain, Mud-Terrain, etc tires to be used off-road. Their specifications are just that, specified parameters under which their products are designed to perform. If you mount them on wider or narrower wheels or exceed their pressure or load ratings you do so at your own peril and should expect performance to diminish. You buy tires to provide traction (a combined result of weight and contact patch equalling ground pressure coupled with friction) and to carry a load on a cushion of air, all of which depend on their shape when mounted and the air pressure within them so wheel dimension and inflation pressure are the only variables you can control within a single tire size and tread design, and thus both are clearly and specifically denoted by the manufacturers. Nobody knows more about tires than the folks making them. As for 4wd vans, Ford hired Quigley to build them and sold them through their own dealerships, even offering warranties on the modified vehicles (think Roush Mustang, Centurion F-Series, etc) so yes they do anticipate them being used off-road (ever notice the little Driving Off-Road pamphlets in Owner's Manual packets?) and neither Ford nor B.F. Goodrich wants any damage claims they can be liable for so they specify the parameters under which their products can be safely used. If you're interested in using your van unsafely just ask, I have lots of bad ideas. As for wheel widths, you want the tire tread to be flat across the contact patch for best traction, lowest heat, and maximum tread life on hard surfaces then air down for more flotation and improved tire flex off road, all of which are benefited by a wheel that keeps the sidewalls basically vertical at street pressure, which is the manufacturer's intent so their suggested wheel width is your ideal. A wheel too wide requires air pressure too high for a flat contact patch due to the tire sidewalls being extended outward and will either wear the tread's edges prematurely or will shorten tire life due to chronic overinflation to counteract the tread pucker. A wheel too narrow conversely requires air pressure be excessively low due to the tread bulging in its center and will either wear the tread center prematurely or will shorten tire life due to chronic underinflation to counteract the center tread bulge. Inflation pressures can also be too high or low for a given load, even on the same and correct wheels. Chronic underinflation was the root cause of the Ford Explorer/Firestone debacle but not because of wheel width, rather the light load of the vehicle on (relatively) large, stiff (C range) tires that were underinflated, thereby softened to provide a smoother ride caused overheating and rampant tread separation. We're talking about tires rated for half-ton trucks (F150) being used on what were basically 5 passenger Rangers. OF COURSE the tires were stiff. Load charts are available from tire mfgs that specify inflation pressures per load and some even vary by ambient temperature. I said all that to say this: The tire's "Measured Rim Width" is the wheel width it was mounted on when all other measurements were taken and tests performed. It's my personal suggestion to use a rim of that width if possible and if not, as close as practical to it while by all means staying within the range of acceptable widths. Inflate to suit the terrain and the load. Read each RELEVANT mfg specs. Let BFG pick ur wheels, Ford pick your motor oil, Warn pick your winch mtg bolts, etc. (It was Ford who lowered the inflation specs. Folks following Firestone's specs had a bouncy ride, but no tire explosions) Be smart. Be safe. Have fun.
 
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BajaSportsmobile

Baja Ironman
Am I ok to run these 285's on a 7" wide rim? Seems most (if not all?) factory ford take offs are 7" wide rims and BFG recommends an 8" for these tires.

I've used BFG 315/70R 17 (~35") tires on Super Duty factory wheels for many many miles with no ill results and 285/75R 16 on factory van wheels as well.

There is no special place in Hell for people who do this or remove the tag from a mattress.
 

ert01

Adventurer
Called around today and no one has any 16x8 rims (8x6.5) in stock. Everything is 4-8weeks delivery! Yikes. I'm kinda diggin the Teflon Mojaves...

Anyways, I just mounted them on the regular old factory steel rims for now.

I'll either order some new wheels or find some factory ones to swap em onto at some point in the future, but at least I'll be rolling in the meantime.
 

ert01

Adventurer
Some pictures of the new rubber :)

Now I just need to have the speedo re-calibrated...

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Bluedog225

Observer
Nice van. I miss my SMB. One of the better mods was adding a basement in back. Just have a sheet metal box made with a 1" lip and cut out the floor. Have to remove the tire carrier but it cuts right out.
 

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