Majestic Eagle

Chorky

Observer
Freedom, on Eagles Wings – 2006 Golden Eagle 4.0L, 6 spd
A catalogue of my Jeep build for a life of adventure and exploration, and freedom.

I’ve always loved Jeeps. As a kid, I remember riding around in my dad’s old CJ7 – we went everywhere. It was slightly modified, but not much, or anything special. I remember days in the winter, we lived in a log cabin (no joke – we were POOR!, well I still am), and the Jeep he had was basically necessary to just get home on a daily basis. When the power went out, Dad would load up the Jeep with some gear, including a chain saw, and we would make the trek into town clearing roads along the way just to get some fresh food and have a warm place to sit for a while.

Years ago I had a series of life events that resulted in the need for a new/different vehicle. Wanting a vehicle that was, well, ‘me’, and something that would work to get me where I wanted to I made the decision to search for a Jeep. Though possibly not the most responsible decision, I was done with years of responsible decisions that always left me wanting. So searching, I found this Jeep 2.5 miles north of me at some no-name dealer, used. The owner of the place was awesome, and salesman non pressuring. Everyone working there was into community service. After a test drive, I spent a week doing research on that Jeep, with the VIN. It was clean, in great shape, low miles. A killer deal. Telling myself if it was still available in a couple weeks, it was meant to be. Well, it was. Likely the “gold” is what left it on the lot for a while. But that’s what made it unique, and considering myself in relation to friends and family, it seemed to fit (no, I’m not some weird purple haired dude with piercings all over). I ended making a 1:1 trade of my brand new car. A tough pill to swallow, and cash lost on my end, but it wasn’t about the money at that point. Life had recently taken a huge turn, and it was about getting back to who I truly am, which was lost somewhere… It’s a Jeep thing! Needless to say, this vehicle has a crap ton of sentimental value.

Over the years, build ideas and thoughts have changed. Some things have been installed, some also removed. I’ve gotten older, wiser (maybe), and realized hard core off road isn’t what I am into, but rather highly capable exploring. Thus, current paths have geared more toward desiring a mild off road rig with most of the goodies, but nothing extreme – except for one option: Brute style.

One thing is for certain – I can never get rid of this Jeep. I’ve loved it, and also been very hard on it, and some years totally neglected it, and it has been by far the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned, never leaving me stranded, and taken me more places that I ever thought possible. And it is especially fitting as this TJ, more than 10 years ago, brought me 600+ miles just to visit a Army buddy for a week, and now, it has moved with me to the place I dreamed of living.

But, as life always changes and evolves situations, as I find out more, so shall you. So enjoy, and feel free to provide any input.


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Original first post:
Well I figure it is a good day to at least start documenting my other vehicle. This was purchased and worked on well before my other build thread of a truck (https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/destination-unknown-a-1997-f350-build.172147/). Both vehicles are my 'babies' and have significant sentimental and real value aside from the 'fun' they bring. However, due to the nature of a current situation developments and realizations - instead of starting a build as one might normally, I would like to start with a question.

Being a 'Jeep' section of this site, what are opinions of the "Brute" option that has since been 'decommissioned' by AEV? While the truck build is on hold, and after watching yet again the seasons of Expedition Overland, and realizing some personal things, I am beginning a Brute build with a corresponding trailer might be a better way to go at the current moment to ensure continuation of outdoor recreation. I am mostly concerned with thoughts of different driving characteristics (especially in ice/mud as compared to a normal TJ), as well as hopes of longer wheelbase (with a couple of minor engine mods) being conducive to towing a 5,000 pound camping trailer (such as a larger teardrop).

For reference, I have originally started my Jeep build on a different site (https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/majestic-eagle-1434780/), but didn't get far before beginning the truck, which is documented here via the above link.
 
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Zeep

Adventurer
Any form of TJ towing 5000 lbs. Is a disaster waiting to happen!
Think tail wagging the dog.
 

Chorky

Observer
Pretty sure a frame extension puts it closer to a grand cherokee wheelbase, which I believe is rated at 5K? Of course assuming the brakes are upgraded as necessary as well.
 

Chorky

Observer
Anyone here have experience with brutes? Or frame extended TJ's? Wheel base similiar to that of a older Ford Ranger?
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
Anyone here have experience with brutes? Or frame extended TJ's? Wheel base similiar to that of a older Ford Ranger?
In 2008 I cut my LJ in half and lengthened the frame to roughly 122.5" wheelbase (stock TJ = 93.5, LJ = 103.5). 12 years later I've put 85,000 miles on this since the conversion.

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I can tell you that at that length, a TJ/LJ frame will have too much flex and needs to be reinforced. When I was building this truck I did a test drive as soon as soon as I finished welding the frame together and decided to reinforce the frame to eliminate the flex. Even Brutes at 118" wheelbase are well-know for having what many Brute owners call the "Brute Bounce" - a noticeable flexing of the frame.
 

Chorky

Observer
I can tell you that at that length, a TJ/LJ frame will have too much flex and needs to be reinforced. When I was building this truck I did a test drive as soon as soon as I finished welding the frame together and decided to reinforce the frame to eliminate the flex. Even Brutes at 118" wheelbase are well-know for having what many Brute owners call the "Brute Bounce" - a noticeable flexing of the frame.

Hey there Jeff! I didn't realize you were here too. Thought you were just on jeepforum! Good to see ya. Thank you for the feedback! This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. So what sort of reinforcement did you do? Happen to have any pics? From your experience of this extension, would going the route of a 2000-2006 Ranger extended cab be a better way to go? I really love the TJ drivetrain, but am sure a Ranger could be converted to solid axle. Maybe those frames are naturally more conducive to their lengths, but I figured a TJ frame would have been fine. Looks like I might be wrong.
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
I added an additional crossmember in the lengthened section, and I increased the height of the side rails by welding 2.5" x 2.5" x 1/4" wall square tubing to the bottom of the side rails between the front and rear lower arm mounts.

I don't know anything about Rangers so I can't comment on that.
 

Chorky

Observer
I added an additional crossmember in the lengthened section, and I increased the height of the side rails by welding 2.5" x 2.5" x 1/4" wall square tubing to the bottom of the side rails between the front and rear lower arm mounts.

I don't know anything about Rangers so I can't comment on that.

Happen to have any pictures?
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
The photo on the left is the additional crossmember; a side rail reinforcement is visible on the right.

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jscherb

Expedition Leader
The bed is not a Double Dinoot Jeep tub style. My goal was to make this truck a modern version of the classic Willys pickup, so I used reproduction sheet metal for a '46 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup, which has a bed the same design and size as the Willys - 78" long.

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It tows just fine, I regularly tow my 7'5" bed Jeep tub trailer and my military replica trailer. I towed a Scrambler on a tow dolly once, which is over the tow weight limit for the LJ and it's not a wise idea - the LJ brakes are not up to the task of stopping that much weight in an emergency situation.
 

Chorky

Observer
78" long.

Ahh ok that's what I had figured. I remember when you did this build, just couldn't remember the specifics.

It tows just fine, I regularly tow my 7'5" bed Jeep tub trailer and my military replica trailer. I towed a Scrambler on a tow dolly once, which is over the tow weight limit for the LJ and it's not a wise idea - the LJ brakes are not up to the task of stopping that much weight in an emergency situation.

That scrambler was pushing it if i remmber those pics. But you have stock brakes though I believe, and not the rear disc conversion. Your 7.5' trailer, does that happen to be the yellow double extended dinoot you have, or is it a different one? I see your turning it into a camping trailer, seems similar to the sketch you helped me with a while back if you remember... I'm revisiting this idea - might have found a good place willing to do the fab work since I still don't have a garage.... But, I think it will require a frame extension and 6.6' bed for the TJ to make it a wise long term long range solution, expecting the trailer to come in at 3K #'s loaded - with its own brakes though. I'm thinking the dinoot fiberglass wont' work for me though - since it may be easier to do alum.
 

jscherb

Expedition Leader
Yes, it's the yellow one, although it's not a Dinoot, it's made from two Jeep tubs. Building it convinced me to design the Dinoot trailer because building a high-quality trailer from Jeep tubs is too difficult for the average DIY-er. Not sure how building a trailer out of aluminum would be easier than using a Dinoot tub, but you should work with whatever you're comfortable with.

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