Making a ifting roof on a 110

wuntenn

Adventurer
Well I managed to get into the welders today at 7.30 am but only for a couple of hours as Stevie the welder was going to a child's 1st birthday party, but we got back in later in the afternoon for an hour.

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Got the brackets tacked on that fix the lower section of the new roof to the existing roof. Bit concerned about the heat warping the alloy but although the weld locations are slightly visible from the outside they're not unduly noticeable and I may fix a pair of long swing-out brackets to support an awning on there anyway, at least on one side, which will conceal any slight imperfections. I could have bolted on the brackets through the face but I'm trying to make the least number of holes in the new roof as possible to minimize water ingress. It is a Land Rover after all.............

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Then the box section bracing for the lifting portion of the roof was laid out. This is where the pair of wooden 'rods' I'd prepared previously (with the spacing for the box section marked out and slots for box pieces cut out) proved their worth. It was quick and easy to align and tack the individual cross-pieces, as they were held rigid and in precisely in the correct location by the wooden rods, which also helped to prevent any (rotational) twisting out of alignment. It made the welders job a lot easier, so whilst Stevie was tacking on I was able to get final and accurate sizes for the shorter box section pieces running long ways, and quickly cut them on the chopsaw. With everything fitting well, I brought in the roof hatch and we used that to align the final two short sections to ensure the fit was perfect - the hatch has very tight tolerances for fit because of the quite tight corner curves, only a couple of mm or so, so working to the dead size of the hatch was ideal.

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Then off to the party! And later on finally we got it all done and lifted it back onto the Land Rover roof, where the lower section (which had looked a mile off on the workshop floor) was forced back into shape. Whilst it was on the floor it looked terrible, the upper section's fit seemed really bad, but this improved when it was put back onto the vehicle. It was obvious that there has been a slight bit of warping (outwards) in the centre of the upper section - you can see it in the photo taken outside (yes its still raining, well almost snowing in fact). I reckon I'll need to get a couple of blocks of wood and stilson wrench onto it and 'tweak' it a bit to straighten it out. Have a few options to remedy this, just have to see which is best.

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Next job is to 'tweak' the lifting section with the hinge attached properly, to get it as 'square' with the lower section as possible, and then drill and loosely fasten the alloy sheet for the roof. By doing that I'll have holes pre-drilled for fitting the pop-rivets when I glue the sheet down and the panel will take the 'proper' alignment (all things going to plan!) when I'm working with it off the van and on the ground.

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wuntenn

Adventurer
Thanks folks!

Buff - have it, used it to try to prevent the above-windscreen leak that most LR's have. It didn't work, not because its no good, but because the water is coming from elsewhere!

Anyway, slight hold up of a technical nature. The welding kit wont reach outside so all the welding has demanded that I lift the new roof assembly off and lay it in the welding shop to have all the work done. We tried as hard as poss to keep the two sections square, but only managed it with the base which fits perfectly to the original roof! However the top has crept out of alignment by a bit more than is acceptable, due to several factors (one being the LandRover not being perfectly square). SO this morning I cut the welds of the four corners (only on the top, didn't touch the vertical welds) and also the tacks along one side on the box section bracing. It immediately went 'ping' and sprung into the correct shape once I sat it back on the roof.

But remedying this has made a decision for me that I was contemplating anyway......fastening the roof down is ideally done from inside, but the billowing fabric makes this quite complicated, so I'll do it on the outside with several of these and they will not only keep it down but pull it to the correct location at the outer edge of the lower section, with the added bonus of keeping it all properly aligned whilst I reweld it.

But these clips may also allow temporary hard sides to be clipped in if I need them - for winter use and really windy nights. So I'll have the fabric for summer and the option of adding the hard sides when required. They can be relatively thin (maybe 6mm) in two pieces for each side and stored inside with minimal weight penalty. `i just need to add another clip set to them and they'll fasten up tightly when the roof is lifted.

I'll have a couple of locking clips only accessible on the inside though so that the roof is locked down tight and opening the outer clips wont allow entry.
 

buff

Observer
I guess its all down to how quick you want to set up camp etc, takes me 5 second's to undo my clip's and another ten minutes even when windy to hook the canvas up. If you have the plastic/rubber back canvas and its tight its extremely wind proof even in the most extreme of weather's.
 

wuntenn

Adventurer
Well my fabric sides will be 'permanent' fixtures, and pretty robust waterproof stuff which will be very taut when erected, but in winter I can see the attraction of temporary hard sides. I spent a week in a gale on the western isles and the racket of flapping fabric on the tent kept me awake every night.
 

wuntenn

Adventurer
A week in a gale? Yes - was on a seakayaking trip on the west coast of Coll, and the wind was unrelenting for 5 days, it got slightly better at one point, but still very wild, then deteriorated again, and during a particularly violent 2am banshee shriek lifted a fibreglass seakayak and deposited it 100m down the beach, and also destroying my North Face tent which I was inside frantically trying to hold down. One other member of the party had a tent pole flattened across their throat and was pretty shook up.
 

buff

Observer
Best invest in some ground anchors then to stop the 110 rocking with all that extra height ;)
 

wuntenn

Adventurer
I had a job on the island of Mull once, which coincided with hurricane force winds - it was pretty crazy weather. I went over the west side of the island to see the big seas and stopped the 110 on the wee single track road, handbrake on, jumped out and ran over some grass and cowered behind a boulder trying to take photos of the surf - when I went back the 110 it had been blown backwards about 20 feet and was resting against a crash barrier. I adjusted the handbrake after that incident!

This is the view I was looking at........

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wuntenn

Adventurer
Anyway this morning I got the clips on the side. Might seem overkill, but they not only hold the top down tightly (NB the rubber seal is NOT yet fitted, but the clips are adjustable so they allow for this) they also help to keep it aligned - as the clip has a small upstand that goes above the lip of the alloy they help keep the sides in the correct place. I need to drill and countersink another hole in the clip as the supplied holes are not in the correct place - well one is. I'm not sure about keeping the eyehole - might be useful to stop vibration from popping them open - I can stick a little clip in there to lock it.

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Close up - you can see the 'lip' created by the clip standing above the alloy surface.
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All aligned nicely (yes its still raining - well sleeting today).
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And when I get round to making removable hard sides these will allow the panels to be clipped in and tightly held. As you can see there's a couple of wooden battens across the roof - they're holding the roof to the correct width - since I released the side weld joints the alloy has bowed out - it will pull in when I refix it but for the time being the wood does the job.

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And the front - all aligned nicely and looking not too bad.

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