Montero grinding in AWD only

johninva

New member
Hi folks, newbie here, having a problem with front left axle. Last night started grinding in awd. shifted it to 4H and grinding went away, seems to drive ok.
I jacked it up and I see that I can spin the tire (with some grinding noise) but the axle does not spin. The left side tire and axle both spin when i spin the wheel. Its raining out so thats as far as I got with it. Suppose I need to take the hub off to see if its the axle or bearing?? Anyone else run into something similar? Or thoughts, suggestions? I'm pretty mechanical, and have a machine shop guy close by.
 
Just out of curiosity, what year truck?

Did you cycle the transfer case a few times? 4H, and all other selections, are only functions of the Superselect transfer case and nothing to do with the axles, per se. In other words, regardless of whether you're in 4 high or low the function at the front axle will be the same. Obviously, 2wd means no torque is being delivered to the front axle (I know everyone here knows that!).

My thought is to inspect the brakes, hub, bearings, and diff fluid level. Another disclaimer is to never drain the fluid before ensuring you can open the fill plug.

Let us know how it goes.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Yup need to know the specific's on which year and model Montero you have. The earlier gen I's have a simple straight forward transfer case system. Gen II's had the super select system.
 

johninva

New member
oops, sorry folks, it is an 03 Montero Sport. Thanks for the responses, its my first 4wd/awd so not too familiar with the tranny/gearing set up. I did check the fluid level in the gear box? and when I remove the upper fill bolt the fluid level is right up there and started to trickle out. appears to be a clear amber color. Tranny fluid could use a change tho....

what is meant by "Did you cycle the transfer case a few times?"

Thanks for the quick responses!!
 

Mudrunner

Adventurer
He means did you run the shifter through the 2wd 4hi 4lo options. The Montero family is notorious for the actuator sticking. Cycling the shifter/selector of the Transfer case for some reason fixes this. My '01 wouldn't engage at all when I first picked it up, (at least not reliably) now after I spent 5 min cycling I know it will hit 4wd no problem every time. Yours might be activating half way through and causing some problems.
 

johninva

New member
Ahhh, gotcha. I'll check that through tomorrow. I'm curious though...doesn't seem 'normal' though that the tire will spin manually but the axle stays stationary. I'll try to open it up and check the splines on the axle shaft/hub. Thanks!
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Ahhh, gotcha. I'll check that through tomorrow. I'm curious though...doesn't seem 'normal' though that the tire will spin manually but the axle stays stationary. I'll try to open it up and check the splines on the axle shaft/hub. Thanks!
If you've lifted the front end up and the front tires turn when in 4wd, then your not in 4wd. I believe the 03 already has the central axle disconnect system instead of the old school hub disconnect system. It is possible your xcase actuator/servo (which is part of the CAD) is not engaging.

4x4 wire has a write up on checking and testing it.
 
Let me preface this with an "I don't know your exact truck but I've dealt with many..." sort of disclaimer...

Essentially, what Ray is saying is, put the truck in 4H (not the 4HCL selection) and lift both tires off the ground (preferably on jack stands) and give the wheels a spin (as if its traveling down the road). If the opposite tire/wheel/axle spins (it should spin in the opposite direction) you know everything is good. If it doesn't, grab the CV axle shafts on each side of the diff and turn it by hand. If you're able to turn the axle, and the tire/wheel do not turn with it, I'd recommend inspecting the hubs. With the front wheels off the ground, and in 4H, you should also be able to turn the drive shaft, but it might/should give some resistance, the front wheels should turn. That will let you know if CAD is functioning or not....

If you've lifted the front end up and the front tires turn when in 4wd, then your not in 4wd. I believe the 03 already has the central axle disconnect system instead of the old school hub disconnect system. It is possible your xcase actuator/servo (which is part of the CAD) is not engaging.

4x4 wire has a write up on checking and testing it.

As for the latter point, good luck finding anything on wire.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Let me preface this with an "I don't know your exact truck but I've dealt with many..." sort of disclaimer...

Essentially, what Ray is saying is, put the truck in 4H (not the 4HCL selection) and lift both tires off the ground (preferably on jack stands) and give the wheels a spin (as if its traveling down the road). If the opposite tire/wheel/axle spins (it should spin in the opposite direction) you know everything is good. If it doesn't, grab the CV axle shafts on each side of the diff and turn it by hand. If you're able to turn the axle, and the tire/wheel do not turn with it, I'd recommend inspecting the hubs. With the front wheels off the ground, and in 4H, you should also be able to turn the drive shaft, but it might/should give some resistance, the front wheels should turn. That will let you know if CAD is functioning or not....
Well... not exactly. I'm saying that in 4WD and the front end up off the ground he should not be able to turn the front wheels at all since he's in 4WD and the rear tires aren't turning... but upon further reflection, I'm wrong on that point. (oops... sorry)

I now realize the wheels will turn regardless. He really needs to get all 4 tires up in the air safely (jack stands on level ground minimum but commercial vehicle lift preferred) & run in 4WD to check what's happening. If may be prudent to have someone in the vehicle with their foot on the brake to control how much the speed at which drivetrain moves (which will help minimize any further grinding that may be occurring :()

Then while it's safely raised, inspect underneath and confirm where the grinding noises are coming from.

As for the latter point, good luck finding anything on wire.
I know some seem to have difficulty finding things on the wire while plenty of others are fine. Many who have difficulty have admitted they've simply been too lazy to learn the forum's search syntax (even after it's been explained to them). Additionally the forum also has a built in Google search engine for those who prefer that search medium.

Also if the person posting things doesn't use the right terminology that future readers can use to search for their post, there's no amount of search engine massaging that will correct that.

All that said, I've found both 4x4wire and Expo suffer from the same issues when it comes to ease of searching.

Last but not least I should fully disclosed that I am a long time Moderator on 4x4wire's Mitsu tech section and have a plethora of experience helping others navigate that forum and while I do agree with some criticism's (picture posting ease, etc.) search hasn't been a true forum issue. It's usually been a operator error / user issue. :ylsmoke:
 

GrassCat

Adventurer
Pull the hub off and see if the splines are OK and the hub is not striped. You don't have to raise the wheel off the ground to do it.

I've never seen one striped, but anything goes with off road trucks.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Pull the hub off and see if the splines are OK and the hub is not striped. You don't have to raise the wheel off the ground to do it.

I've never seen one striped, but anything goes with off road trucks.
Mike, I 'think' his 2003 is a CAD setup versus a hub engaged 4wd system.
 
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GrassCat

Adventurer
Mike, I 'think' his 2003 is a CAD setup versus a hub engaged 4wd system.

Have a look at your front wheels. You will see a small round object with 6 or so bolts, that is a hub with groves for the splines located on the axles. It is not a grease cup even though it has grease in it. I'm sure his is set up the same way as the Gen 2's.
 

johninva

New member
Thanks for all the info folks!!! I'm going to get to the bottom of it tomorrow. Sounds the grinding is from the left front, but that axle is the short one..... so the gear box/ tranny is all right there close. I did drive it to the store for a quick jaunt today, in 4H with no noise, but didn't have time to play with it. My Shifter says 4L, 4H, and AWD. It grinds in The AWD position. I'll post my findings!
Thanks again for the help!
 

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