grimbo
Explorer
When you hit someone else and civil charges get laid then they have to do with the law
More proof that Jeep is the leader in 4x4 overland vehicles
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When you hit someone else and civil charges get laid then they have to do with the law
Douglas S.
Adventurer
You are embarrassing yourself. It's annoying. Please stop posting.
Douglas S.
Adventurer
There was a time when I would defend my Jeep in threads like this, in comparisons to Land Cruisers, etc.
That has changed.
A few years ago I was starting to get tired of using my Jeep as a daily driver so after a little research I bought my HDJ81. Only time I've driven my Jeep since then was to put it in storage. For an "expedition" or off road travel vehicle the Land Cruiser is superior in absolutely every way. Fuel economy, build quality, comfort, reliability, payload...Jeep doesn't even come close. Living in Canada I have access to all manner of diesel Land Cruisers which just makes the comparison even worse.
That has changed.
A few years ago I was starting to get tired of using my Jeep as a daily driver so after a little research I bought my HDJ81. Only time I've driven my Jeep since then was to put it in storage. For an "expedition" or off road travel vehicle the Land Cruiser is superior in absolutely every way. Fuel economy, build quality, comfort, reliability, payload...Jeep doesn't even come close. Living in Canada I have access to all manner of diesel Land Cruisers which just makes the comparison even worse.
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LandCruiserPhil
Expedition Leader
K2ZJ, you are above any logic and no laws pertains to you, I cant argue that.
Now back on topic - How are you jeep guys going to fit all that new lawn furniture in your JKU, roof rack?
independent
New member
Observer
Actually I drive a 68 Bronco which I sometimes pull Adventure Trailers Chaser number 3 with which I rebuilt after having been rolled by the previous owner. I've had in the past a 63 Willys truck that was great fun. I also owned a 82 FJ 40, a 73 Volkswagen Thing and a VW Manx Dune Buggy. I recently purchased a JKUR which I also enjoy. Assorted MGs and Porches have also passed my way. In the future I may very well purchase a Land Cruiser or some other platform with which to explore in. I think an open mind and an acceptance of others positive points of view is a great help in deciding what is best for your particular needs. It's about getting out and having fun ( which I've also done in my wife's Honda Pilot by the way) and not worrying about what other people think of your ride. I find this thread both amusing and troubling in that supposedly like minding people can react to each other this way. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and support each other in their adventures and not quibble about the wheels that take them there. Man, I do have a Front Runner rack on the Bronco, I bet I could get two lounge chairs up there!
Actually I drive a 68 Bronco which I sometimes pull Adventure Trailers Chaser number 3 with which I rebuilt after having been rolled by the previous owner. I've had in the past a 63 Willys truck that was great fun. I also owned a 82 FJ 40, a 73 Volkswagen Thing and a VW Manx Dune Buggy. I recently purchased a JKUR which I also enjoy. Assorted MGs and Porches have also passed my way. In the future I may very well purchase a Land Cruiser or some other platform with which to explore in. I think an open mind and an acceptance of others positive points of view is a great help in deciding what is best for your particular needs. It's about getting out and having fun ( which I've also done in my wife's Honda Pilot by the way) and not worrying about what other people think of your ride. I find this thread both amusing and troubling in that supposedly like minding people can react to each other this way. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and support each other in their adventures and not quibble about the wheels that take them there. Man, I do have a Front Runner rack on the Bronco, I bet I could get two lounge chairs up there!
Idahoan
Adventurer
Could you explain yourself thunder down under?
Enough with scare tactics, provide solid proof, as in an actual court case where a private vehicle, over the manufacturer's GVW, crashed and the owner had insurance denied and everything taken away.
Show me a case and I'll stand corrected. Until then, it's all internet hearsay...
As both an engineer and someone who's hauled commercially, I can't think of a single agency that enforces OEM "payload" and "tow rating". Only axle and tire ratings are looked at as far as DOT is concerned.
If you're talking about international overlanding, then I mostly agree.
However, for domestic overland travel, it's reversed. I challenge you to find ANY part for either a JDM diesel 80, or North American 80/100/200 in the middle of a northern BC town. Say, Fort St. John.
With an F250 or Ram, you can find parts anywhere.
Didn't mean to imply the moose test was US based, apologies for the confusion.
When I say lawyers, I don't mean them directly, rather, by heavily influencing the safety agencies. Laws of physics is the same anywhere on earth, no reason why the same SUV is rated to tow 30% less over here. In fact, with our selection of safety hitches like the Hensley Arrow, we should be able to tow more.
grimbo
Explorer
Quite a few cases here in Australia. Once again the topic was about worldwide over landing and travelling internationally for long distances over gvm will be an issue
yes, but the litigation system in the US is so out of control that any business is afraid to move. I am betting that is part of the reason for lower tow ratings. Its the only logical reason. Physics are the same everywhere, and having the 30 % bigger tow rating on the other side of the pond for the same vehicle makes you question why. That is the only logical reason. Physics, Hitches, tires, vehicles are the same.
marktutone
Adventurer
Ya many people have very accessorized jeeps these days. There is something to be said about state of mind. Something about driving a jeep puts you in a different state of mind. Everyday I go to work in my jeep I am on a mini overland expedition. About being different I am with you. In the 80's I was a punker with a jacket the read USMC uncle sams misguided children. I also owned a Pathfinder. I put a 3” lift on on it and a beefed up front end. That Pathfinder took me everywhere. It was a dog when it came to speed but I think so far it was the best vehicle that I have owned. It only left me stranded once when I broke the IFS on the trail. I bought the Calmini upgrade A arms and I couldn’t break those. It was always in the back of my head that I should have a solid front axle. I ended up buying a jeep. When I first bought the jeep and I was driving it around I thought I just made an expensive mistake. But after a couple of weeks driving it and after the first trail I became an instant fan and understood all the hype about jeep.
But - but - Mama always said.
Meh
die die die thread
It has turned into a head bashing of strong willed with opposite views. It's like we are politicians.
Drive enough trucks around the world and find what you like and are comfortable with. Just remember what you fall in love with is probably something you can't have. (I can't tell you how many australians that come over here that fall in love with the Ram 2500 cummins diesel quad cab and would hand over a brand new LC 70's in trade tomorrow if they could; but they can't have it just like we can't have theirs) Everything has some kinda compromise and it depends on your use what you choose.
I know nothing about russian vehicles or have never driven a g-wagon yet so I don't comment on them. From the spec sheet of a g wagon some of them look great. Unless you are willing to be an open mind then you won't see what other people talk about. Brand loyalty is the worst thing when identifying the top vehicles for a certain purpose. I can be a Ford fan but does it mean that the mustang is the best sportscar made in the world? Open up and you will see more. But maybe your priorities are affordable, domestically available, and you love the looks. Well then it might be the best for you.
But anyways I forgot where I hid my hair brush.
Meh
die die die thread
It has turned into a head bashing of strong willed with opposite views. It's like we are politicians.
Drive enough trucks around the world and find what you like and are comfortable with. Just remember what you fall in love with is probably something you can't have. (I can't tell you how many australians that come over here that fall in love with the Ram 2500 cummins diesel quad cab and would hand over a brand new LC 70's in trade tomorrow if they could; but they can't have it just like we can't have theirs) Everything has some kinda compromise and it depends on your use what you choose.
I know nothing about russian vehicles or have never driven a g-wagon yet so I don't comment on them. From the spec sheet of a g wagon some of them look great. Unless you are willing to be an open mind then you won't see what other people talk about. Brand loyalty is the worst thing when identifying the top vehicles for a certain purpose. I can be a Ford fan but does it mean that the mustang is the best sportscar made in the world? Open up and you will see more. But maybe your priorities are affordable, domestically available, and you love the looks. Well then it might be the best for you.
But anyways I forgot where I hid my hair brush.