My Experience with Robert (Bobby) Culpepper and Cascadia Vehicle Tents (CVT)

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702krawler

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I purchased a Pioneer off-road Trailer from Bobby Culpepper of Cascadia Vehicle Tents (CVT) in February of 2013. Upon first taking the trailer out on an off-road camping trip (Mojave Road), the wheel hub nearly came off (another camper happened to flag me down as I was driving by). This caused damage to the axle spindle on the trailer. It took Robert Culpepper (the owner/operator of Cascadia Vehicle Tents) approximately three months to repair the trailer, despite several promises to ship the parts to me much earlier.

Then, I discovered that I needed to register the trailer to operate it in Nevada. When I attempted to register the trailer, I discovered that the VIN plate had been removed. Mr. Culpepper eventually told me he removed it after the DMV rep and I spoke to him on the phone about it. He later sent me another VIN plate (but was unable or unwilling to produce the Customs and Border Protection importation paperwork, which is legally required since the trailer was made in China. See CBP form 7501.) To date, I have yet to be able to register the trailer due to paperwork issues.

Finally, I took the trailer out again for an off-road camping trip in Death Valley (having one uneventful off-road camping trip in the interim) in February of 2014. During this trip, the shock on the right side literally broke in half, wedging itself between the body of the trailer and the tire. Again, I was very fortunate to have someone flag me down to tell me there was smoke and a burning smell coming from my trailer. The broken shock ultimately damaged the spring itself, which completely failed, and severed the wiring for the trailer lights. I had to crawl back to a graded dirt road, park the trailer, and go rent a U-Haul trailer to haul the broken trailer back to my house in Las Vegas.

Immediately upon returning I contacted Mr. Culpepper, who eventually got back to me. On March 21, 2014, I had a telephone conversation with Mr. Culpepper in which he told me he would come pick-up the trailer and refund the money I spent on the trailer (I also ordered a RTT from him, but trying to be reasonable, I agreed to keep the RTT and only seek a refund on the trailer itself).

Mr. Culpepper asked me if it was OK for him to pick-up the trailer when he attended Overland Expo in Flagstaff, AZ in mid-May, since he'd be driving past Las Vegas. I agreed.

Not having heard from Mr. Culpepper to make any sort of arrangements, prior to Overland Expo, I contacted him less than two weeks out. Mr. Culpepper eventually got back to me, and told me he'd let me know if he was going to come before or after the expo. Around this same time I told Mr. Culpepper that I'd ordered a new off-road trailer from a third party (based on Mr. Culpepper's earlier promise to me to provide me with a refund).

Having again not heard from Mr. Culpepper, I contacted him just prior to the expo. He told me he would come by to pick-up the trailer on his way back.

Around this time, Mr. Culpepper also asked me if I'd agree to receive my refund in the form of him paying the amount he owed me toward my new trailer on his credit card. I told him that was fine as well.

With the expo over, and again not having heard from Mr. Culpepper, I called him to check on the status. Mr. Culpepper informed me that he was going to attend another off-road event in Moab, UT, and would instead pick-up the trailer after that, possibly in early June of 2014.

Again having not heard from Mr. Culpepper, I again contacted him and inquired when he would be coming by to pick-up the trailer. Eventually, Mr. Culpepper advised me that he'd had car trouble, and that is why he didn't not make it (though he never called to tell me he was not going to show-up, as a reasonable person might do if they really intended to show up).

I again pressed Mr. Culpepper for a firm date to pick-up the trailer, reminding him that my new trailer was due to be delivered sometime in August of 2014. Mr. Culpepper told me that he would come between July 10th and 12th of 2014.

Again, having not heard from Mr. Culpepper regarding the newest pick-up date, I inquired one more time as to the status. He eventually got back to me, telling me he'd had to move at the last minute (though in fact he knew about the move no later than June 20th per the information on his web site). He told me that all of the trailers that he might use to pick-up my broken trailer were being used for the move, but that he expected to be done early in the week of July 14th, and would come then.

By July 16th, having not heard from Mr. Culpepper, I again inquired as to the status of the newest pick-up date. He then told me that he now had to wait for another container shipment he was expecting from overseas, and would not have a date until after that undetermined time. I responded by telling Mr. Culpepper I've been very patient and reasonable, but that he needed to provide me with a firm pick-up date that was days, not weeks out by the close of business on July 18th. Mr. Culpepper did not respond.

On July 20th, I sent a demand letter to both Mr. Culpepper and his registered agent, regarding this issue, asking for my refund by July 30th. Mr. Culpepper has still not responded to me.

I'm hopeful that Mr. Culpepper will do the right thing and honor his numerous promises, but as of now, it appears I am going to have to file a small claims action to get my money back. It is a shame that I trusted Mr. Culpepper as a member of the Overlanding community at his word on a number of occasions, only to have him fail to come through and ultimately ignore me. If nothing else, hopefully my story will serve as a cautionary tail to others in the community so they don't have similar issues. After my experience detailed above, I would personally not deal with Mr. Culpepper or his company again.

I've attached photos so you guys can see that I'm not some competitor making things up. In the photo with people, I'm in the green jacket, while the others are the kind people who flagged me down and helped me make the repair on Mojave Road (after I drove hours to and from town to get parts). The other photos are all of the aftermath of my Death Valley trip. Sadly, the above really did happen to me.
 

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AA1PR

Disabled Explorer
sad to hear this

I've only heard good things of their products

best of luck sir

powers to be here might object as I've seen in similar posts

good luck
 

southpier

Expedition Leader
you're a helluva lot more patient than I. hopefully you paid for the unit with a credit card and the issuing company will straighten it out for you. good luck. and great first post!
 

702krawler

Adventurer
I appreciate the support. I realize now I was a lot more patient than I should have been. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. Fortunately I kept thorough notes and copies of correspondence, so I'm in good shape if it does go the way of litigation.
 

stingray1300

Explorer
If you paid by credit card, call the carrier and dispute the charge. You have 1 full year to do this.

Makes me glad I didn't get the CVT-RTT I was looking at, and went with Tepui. They don't make trailers though.

I wish you the best of success in your adversity. And yes, I think you were much too patient too :(
 
I hate that, I've only had good dealings with Bobby. I didn't order a trailer but I did get a RTT from them and he's stood behind his product. 2 years after I had bought the tent he calls me out of the blue asking me how the tent was doing and I told him I was having a problem with one of the zippers on the door and the the straps that hold the dust cover on had broke. A week later a new tent canvas and straps arrived at my door on his dime. I hope you get it straightened out, good luck.
 

Titanpat57

Expedition Leader
Sadly...much of this imported, sub rate crap showing up on our shores is destined for the same predictable demise.

I often see the attraction of "well it looks almost like an AT" ...and there's never shortage of people looking to save a bunch of bucks on a knock off...but I think this is a poster child of why to stay clear of these imported trailers for that very reason. You don't get something for nothing..

There's no doubt in my mind Bob will do the right thing for you, and I can clearly see your frustration from continued neglect and missing or non-existent communication.

Anyone that has spent any time on these boards, know that the few trailer manufacturers that build true quality, do so for one reason....their products don't come back to haunt them very often, they last last for years and are designed for the intended use.

Good luck,
 

702krawler

Adventurer
Very valid point. It turns out you do get what you pay for, though I don't think being inexpensive is a license to be unsafe. There are still certain basic safety standards that should be met.
 

Honu

lost on the mainland
its not over seas that makes it bad its cheap copies ! we have seen cheap copies made here with issues

but scary stuff one after the other really hope it gets worked out for you !
 

lindelow

New member
702 Krawler,

Thanks for sharing your experience with Cascadia Vehicle Tents...I also have a story similar to yours when I purchased a RTT from CVT. Here's a brief synopsis of my horror story:

1. Ordered the tent which arrived in a flimsy single walled cardboard box which was damaged. The aluminum bottom of the tent had several puncture holes, however, I accepted the package due to time constraints and my plan to reinforce with diamond plate. (In comparison, my Gobi roof rack arrived on a wooden pallet packed to survive a hydrogen bomb)

2. Opened the box at which time several small screws fell upon the floor. (It will take several more weeks for me to realize the importance of these screws)

3. Took inventory of the contents/parts and was missing 3/4 of the mounting hardware AND the aluminum mounting rails.

4. Contacted CVT who sent replacement hardware and mounting rails.

5. Traveled to Colorado (on the beginning of a 3 week, 6,000 mile camping trip) at which time I discovered CVT sent the wrong size changing room for my tent model.

6. Contacted Mr. Culpepper, explained the absolute importance that I had the changing room for my trip, at which time he agreed to ship (overnight) the changing room to Moab, which was my next destination. I informed Mr. Culpepper of my hotel address in Moab and even texted him the address prior to leaving Colorado.

7. Arrived in Moab, no changing room. Next day, no changing room. Next and last day in Moab, nothing arrived. Called Mr. Culpepper, no answer, so I left a message and informed him that my entire trip relied on the changing room due to my next wet/rainy destinations.

8. Departed Moab, heading to the west coast for several more weeks. Never received a phone call, text or e-mail from Mr. Culpepper.

9. 3rd week in, the knuckle on the right side of the tent broke, damaging the poles.

10. Arrived home, no package from CVT.

11. Inspected tent upon return home, discovered that the right side knuckle was missing three screws at which time I realized they were the same screws which fell out of the box when I first unpackaged the tent.

12. Wrote numerous e-mails to Mr. Culpepper over several weeks about the poor package quality, inventory quality and horrible customer service. Had yet to receive the changing room at which time I threatened legal action and a report to the Better Business Bureau.

13. Finally received the changing room.

Remember, this is a brief narrative, and the whole experience was beyond frustrating. So, based on my experience, I can not recommend the products or service of CVT to anyone. Please invest your money in a quality product with customer service that actually supports the consumer.
 

702krawler

Adventurer
I'm sorry to hear you had a poor experience as well. I definitely understand your frustration. It is incredibly frustrating for someone to tell you they are going to do something, repeatedly, and not follow through, while in the meantime you set down a path based on that person being true to their word. For what it is worth, I also had quality issues with my tent. If you look closely at the photo with people in it you'll see the right front of the clamshell is bent upward a bit and doesn't fully close. It has been that way since the day I got it (and I met Mr. Culpepper in Reno to pick it up, so it wasn't shipping damage). Additionally, when erect, one wall of the tent looks like someone poked dozens of pin holes in it. However, that stuff is minor compared to the serious safety issues I ran into with the trailer.

I'm glad to see your issues were resolved in the end, as I'm hoping mine will be. Some of the others who replied to this thread seem to think Mr. Culpepper will eventually come through, but should I really need to call him repeatedly over the course of several months, send a legal demand letter, and likely have to file a small claims action to make it happen?
 

Cascadia-vehicle-tents

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I purchased a Pioneer off-road Trailer from Bobby Culpepper of Cascadia Vehicle Tents (CVT) in February of 2013. Upon first taking the trailer out on an off-road camping trip (Mojave Road), the wheel hub nearly came off (another camper happened to flag me down as I was driving by). This caused damage to the axle spindle on the trailer. It took Robert Culpepper (the owner/operator of Cascadia Vehicle Tents) approximately three months to repair the trailer, despite several promises to ship the parts to me much earlier.

Then, I discovered that I needed to register the trailer to operate it in Nevada. When I attempted to register the trailer, I discovered that the VIN plate had been removed. Mr. Culpepper eventually told me he removed it after the DMV rep and I spoke to him on the phone about it. He later sent me another VIN plate (but was unable or unwilling to produce the Customs and Border Protection importation paperwork, which is legally required since the trailer was made in China. See CBP form 7501.) To date, I have yet to be able to register the trailer due to paperwork issues.

Finally, I took the trailer out again for an off-road camping trip in Death Valley (having one uneventful off-road camping trip in the interim) in February of 2014. During this trip, the shock on the right side literally broke in half, wedging itself between the body of the trailer and the tire. Again, I was very fortunate to have someone flag me down to tell me there was smoke and a burning smell coming from my trailer. The broken shock ultimately damaged the spring itself, which completely failed, and severed the wiring for the trailer lights. I had to crawl back to a graded dirt road, park the trailer, and go rent a U-Haul trailer to haul the broken trailer back to my house in Las Vegas.

Immediately upon returning I contacted Mr. Culpepper, who eventually got back to me. On March 21, 2014, I had a telephone conversation with Mr. Culpepper in which he told me he would come pick-up the trailer and refund the money I spent on the trailer (I also ordered a RTT from him, but trying to be reasonable, I agreed to keep the RTT and only seek a refund on the trailer itself).

Mr. Culpepper asked me if it was OK for him to pick-up the trailer when he attended Overland Expo in Flagstaff, AZ in mid-May, since he'd be driving past Las Vegas. I agreed.

Not having heard from Mr. Culpepper to make any sort of arrangements, prior to Overland Expo, I contacted him less than two weeks out. Mr. Culpepper eventually got back to me, and told me he'd let me know if he was going to come before or after the expo. Around this same time I told Mr. Culpepper that I'd ordered a new off-road trailer from a third party (based on Mr. Culpepper's earlier promise to me to provide me with a refund).

Having again not heard from Mr. Culpepper, I contacted him just prior to the expo. He told me he would come by to pick-up the trailer on his way back.

Around this time, Mr. Culpepper also asked me if I'd agree to receive my refund in the form of him paying the amount he owed me toward my new trailer on his credit card. I told him that was fine as well.

With the expo over, and again not having heard from Mr. Culpepper, I called him to check on the status. Mr. Culpepper informed me that he was going to attend another off-road event in Moab, UT, and would instead pick-up the trailer after that, possibly in early June of 2014.

Again having not heard from Mr. Culpepper, I again contacted him and inquired when he would be coming by to pick-up the trailer. Eventually, Mr. Culpepper advised me that he'd had car trouble, and that is why he didn't not make it (though he never called to tell me he was not going to show-up, as a reasonable person might do if they really intended to show up).

I again pressed Mr. Culpepper for a firm date to pick-up the trailer, reminding him that my new trailer was due to be delivered sometime in August of 2014. Mr. Culpepper told me that he would come between July 10th and 12th of 2014.

Again, having not heard from Mr. Culpepper regarding the newest pick-up date, I inquired one more time as to the status. He eventually got back to me, telling me he'd had to move at the last minute (though in fact he knew about the move no later than June 20th per the information on his web site). He told me that all of the trailers that he might use to pick-up my broken trailer were being used for the move, but that he expected to be done early in the week of July 14th, and would come then.

By July 16th, having not heard from Mr. Culpepper, I again inquired as to the status of the newest pick-up date. He then told me that he now had to wait for another container shipment he was expecting from overseas, and would not have a date until after that undetermined time. I responded by telling Mr. Culpepper I've been very patient and reasonable, but that he needed to provide me with a firm pick-up date that was days, not weeks out by the close of business on July 18th. Mr. Culpepper did not respond.

On July 20th, I sent a demand letter to both Mr. Culpepper and his registered agent, regarding this issue, asking for my refund by July 30th. Mr. Culpepper has still not responded to me.

I'm hopeful that Mr. Culpepper will do the right thing and honor his numerous promises, but as of now, it appears I am going to have to file a small claims action to get my money back. It is a shame that I trusted Mr. Culpepper as a member of the Overlanding community at his word on a number of occasions, only to have him fail to come through and ultimately ignore me. If nothing else, hopefully my story will serve as a cautionary tail to others in the community so they don't have similar issues. After my experience detailed above, I would personally not deal with Mr. Culpepper or his company again.

I've attached photos so you guys can see that I'm not some competitor making things up. In the photo with people, I'm in the green jacket, while the others are the kind people who flagged me down and helped me make the repair on Mojave Road (after I drove hours to and from town to get parts). The other photos are all of the aftermath of my Death Valley trip. Sadly, the above really did happen to me.

Good evening Scott,

I do understand how you feel and I also understand there is quite a bit missing in this also. There are 2 sides. One I have never promised anything as I never know what is going to happen. The point being
1. I have never told you I would never take care of this as I do stand behind what I say as I have offered you your money back. The thing is when people order trailers they go cheap which is what ours was. I bet now you have spent way more than what you spent on our Chinese trailer?
2. This was a trailer bought from us and it did say that it was made in China. We have other on the market and have not had this experience. But this is also the reason I drove to Vegas 16 hrs one way to fix this. The part had to be ordered and then drilled professionally and the first one we did was done by a guy who committed suicide and there was no one in town to get it done in a little bit. I was on the waiting list.
3. I did also tell you I would pick up the tent when I was down at expo and I did break down for 4 days and had a lot of truck trouble you can follow that on Facebook. I am sorry I could not make it.
4. I have told you a few times I would make it down and have not been able too. I have had containers delayed and I have been working to get them out for folks where you were not in a big hurry just had to be out in August. I was in the middle of moving and have had no trailer. If this was a couple hour drive it would be done.
5. I did offer also to give you new parts for your trailer. Also to come down and fix it. I did not have to give you any money back. But if you are not happy then I understand.

I do not want to get in a pissing match as I have offered to give you all your money back and come get the trailer. If you are still wanting to take me to court then that is your choice.
Now that we are moved and the building is finished I can come get the trailer next week.

Let me know.

Kind regards,

Bobby
 

Cascadia-vehicle-tents

Supporting Sponsor
702 Krawler,

Thanks for sharing your experience with Cascadia Vehicle Tents...I also have a story similar to yours when I purchased a RTT from CVT. Here's a brief synopsis of my horror story:

1. Ordered the tent which arrived in a flimsy single walled cardboard box which was damaged. The aluminum bottom of the tent had several puncture holes, however, I accepted the package due to time constraints and my plan to reinforce with diamond plate. (In comparison, my Gobi roof rack arrived on a wooden pallet packed to survive a hydrogen bomb)

2. Opened the box at which time several small screws fell upon the floor. (It will take several more weeks for me to realize the importance of these screws)

3. Took inventory of the contents/parts and was missing 3/4 of the mounting hardware AND the aluminum mounting rails.

4. Contacted CVT who sent replacement hardware and mounting rails.

5. Traveled to Colorado (on the beginning of a 3 week, 6,000 mile camping trip) at which time I discovered CVT sent the wrong size changing room for my tent model.

6. Contacted Mr. Culpepper, explained the absolute importance that I had the changing room for my trip, at which time he agreed to ship (overnight) the changing room to Moab, which was my next destination. I informed Mr. Culpepper of my hotel address in Moab and even texted him the address prior to leaving Colorado.

7. Arrived in Moab, no changing room. Next day, no changing room. Next and last day in Moab, nothing arrived. Called Mr. Culpepper, no answer, so I left a message and informed him that my entire trip relied on the changing room due to my next wet/rainy destinations.

8. Departed Moab, heading to the west coast for several more weeks. Never received a phone call, text or e-mail from Mr. Culpepper.

9. 3rd week in, the knuckle on the right side of the tent broke, damaging the poles.

10. Arrived home, no package from CVT.

11. Inspected tent upon return home, discovered that the right side knuckle was missing three screws at which time I realized they were the same screws which fell out of the box when I first unpackaged the tent.

12. Wrote numerous e-mails to Mr. Culpepper over several weeks about the poor package quality, inventory quality and horrible customer service. Had yet to receive the changing room at which time I threatened legal action and a report to the Better Business Bureau.

13. Finally received the changing room.

Remember, this is a brief narrative, and the whole experience was beyond frustrating. So, based on my experience, I can not recommend the products or service of CVT to anyone. Please invest your money in a quality product with customer service that actually supports the consumer.

Lol...The reason you never received your annex is because you never gave us a address. I can pull all of my emails back up if you would like?
 

702krawler

Adventurer
Bobby,

No one, other than an attorney who makes a living doing so, wants to file a lawsuit. It is a last resort to legally compel someone to do what they said they are going to do, or legally compel someone to do something they are legally required to do (or not do) but refuse.

So the short answer is yes, please come next week and pick-up the trailer and provide a full refund. Please let me know when to expect you.

Scott
 
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